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« Reply #26 on: August 23, 2011, 05:39:36 PM » |
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« Reply #27 on: August 24, 2011, 04:41:41 AM » |
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I rode one of those, the first year model. Uh, wow. I think I'm too little for that bike, I could barely turn it. The FI was throwing me off too, but once you get used to it I know it's a real kick in the pants to ride. Ha, it belonged to my buddy, he sold it after he found out how much a new rear tire was! You gotta stay off those tire-burning jack-rabbit starts, if your wallet's lean!  |
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« Reply #28 on: August 24, 2011, 08:20:03 AM » |
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The FI was throwing me off too...
If you don't mind my asking, how was it doing that? |
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« Reply #29 on: August 24, 2011, 09:51:35 AM » |
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The FI was throwing me off too...
If you don't mind my asking, how was it doing that? I'm not crazy about FI either, and it's probably for similar reasons as CB. On almost every FI bike I've ridden it's either on or off if you catch my meaning. To me there isn't that smooth curve of feeding the engine via well sync'd carbs. Roll off the throttle in a turn and crack it midway through to accelerate around the apex and the "hit" of the FI could cause you to blow the turn. I'm not saying FI is bad, and will completely admit that it's probably a personal thing (both skill wise and what I'm used to/prefer) I love carbureted bikes, but if funny stuff keeps being put into the gas I may have to break down and purchase an FI bike.  |
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What is good Phaedrus, what is not good? Need we ask anyone this?
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« Reply #30 on: August 24, 2011, 09:56:52 AM » |
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Yeah, the FI is notoriously jerky, especially on Suzukis. That's why I hated the FI Bandit and why the M109 was hard to handle. With a bike that big, it's so important to be able to excercise smooth throttle control if you want to have any proficiency at low speeds and not drop it in the parking lot,
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I thought I was going to drop it in the parking lot, and I practice a lot. It's just a part of this particular model that you have to get used to, as evidenced by the folks I know who have owned and loved them for years.
Of note is that the SV650 I rode did not have the "Suzuki Surge." Interesting....
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« Reply #31 on: August 24, 2011, 10:00:00 AM » |
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Thanks, Ari and Coffee - the only FI bike I've ridden was my BMW, and I never experienced any kind of surge while riding it. It was smooth all the way through.
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« Reply #32 on: August 24, 2011, 10:07:49 AM » |
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the only FI bike I've ridden was my BMW, and I never experienced any kind of surge while riding it. It was smooth all the way through.
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« Reply #33 on: August 24, 2011, 10:12:12 AM » |
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the only FI bike I've ridden was my BMW, and I never experienced any kind of surge while riding it. It was smooth all the way through.
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« Reply #34 on: August 24, 2011, 11:06:38 AM » |
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Not entirely true. My R1150RT was notorious for a surging FI. Nobody could fix it without major work by a dealership.
The R1150RT to this day is less desirable because of the surging issue.
By the time I found out the surging was model-specific and not all BMW's did it, I hated BMWs for other reasons.
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« Reply #35 on: August 29, 2011, 03:15:55 PM » |
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that bike is up there on my list for a cruiser i am just not yet old enough for that style,YET
cb, i know what you mean about the fuelie it kinda sucks right up there with shaft drives for me as well.
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« Reply #36 on: August 29, 2011, 08:11:29 PM » |
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That is one bada$$ looking bike. A guy I know has one that is similar except it's bright yellow. I thought it was a total custom when I first saw it, but it turns out that he didn't mod it that much.
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« Reply #37 on: August 31, 2011, 12:36:17 PM » |
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This is because of the automatic timing retarder. I have the JSD-3M, which is a Automatic timing retard eliminator (ATRE). Problem solved... Completely! What the motorcycle manufacturers have done is make a separate ignition map for each gear. This has been done for either safety and/or emissions reasons. However, it limits the power and smoothness of your bike in the first half-turn of the throttle in gears 1 through 4. The motorcycle manufacturers were clever in the design of the stock timing retard: It still allows full timing at full throttle. As you shift up through the gears, the amount of throttle needed to access the advance curve decreases, until you make it to 5th gear and then it's gone - you have nice, smooth operation. The ATRE makes your motorcycle respond just as smoothly in the lower gears. I rode one of those, the first year model. Uh, wow. I think I'm too little for that bike, I could barely turn it. The FI was throwing me off too, but once you get used to it I know it's a real kick in the pants to ride. Ha, it belonged to my buddy, he sold it after he found out how much a new rear tire was! You gotta stay off those tire-burning jack-rabbit starts, if your wallet's lean! |
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