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« on: January 15, 2012, 10:00:49 AM »

Just avoid them if you can. They are death traps.

This has been bugging me for two days now so here goes:
I was at a nearby strip mall the other day in the jeep. (sorry, no motorcycle riding on snow+ice+sand+idiot cager country) Everything was normal with cages, pedestrians, stop signs, etc. A guy in a little cage was in front of me toodling along on the road between the businesses and the parking lot. He turned on his right signal and started to slow so he could turn into the parking row. No big deal, all normal and totally expected and actually behaving better than most drivers lately - he wasn't even using a cellphone either! Just as he got to the point where he would make the turn to the right, he turned his head to the right, slowed further as expected...then without warning, violently yanked his steering wheel hard left then turned right to go into the parking row. I was far enough back to not be at risk and I still instinctively left 4 black marks on the pavement.
During the sudden left turn bit, he went completely into the opposite direction traffic lane. The problem is that there was an innocent cage coming the other way and about 20 feet ahead of him when he yanked the steering wheel. Instant 25-30mph closure rate head on yard sale. Impact occurred just as he started back to the right to cross in front of me. There was absolutely nothing the opposite direction cage could have done to avoid the collision.
Once the police got there, Mr Kamikaze was claiming it was not his fault and the other driver was the cause of the crash. Nevermind that all the wreckage was blatantly in the oncoming traffic lane... When asked, I told the officer what happened and Kamikaze got seriously PO'd at me. According to Kamikaze, you MUST turn left some to go right or you will hit your rear wheel on the curb and there was no way to make that turn without going left like he had to do. Seriously? Seriously? And when did "turn left some" mean completely into the oncoming traffic lane?

What is going on? Where are cagers getting their stupid driving skills from?
I've noticed an increasing trend over the last couple years of cagers making opposite direction turns just before making the turn they intend to do. It use to be a squiggle in their own lane. Then they started crossing the traffic lane line markings. They now will use 1/4 to 1/2 of the lane next to them before making the turn. They do this for right and left turns even when it's a typical wide left turn. There is no way a dinky little cage will come anywhere near the curb during those turns so there is absolutely no reason to go wide at all. I've been swerving to avoid side impacts a lot in the last few months and it's really getting on my nerves.
Seriously, I regularly make those same right turns in the motorhome pulling the trailer (8 feet wide and 41 feet long) without having to go wide and without hitting the curb...yet dinky little short wheel base cages supposedly can't?  DirtDOG Yes, I do sometimes have to go wide or use part of the other lane on the road I'm turning onto however I am also 3 feet wider and almost 3 times the length of your average cage. And I STILL don't have to do it most of the time including when the teeny cage in front of me goes wide.


Lesson of the day: I don't know. How do you even attempt to avoid that kind of situation? ATGATT is the only realistic survival option I can think of. Maybe ride on the sidewalks. Whatever you do, be bloody careful anywhere near parking lots.
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« Reply #1 on: January 15, 2012, 10:48:49 AM »

We call that the "country swing" around here. The nomenclature comes from typical rural types who are accustomed to driving on lonely back roads and for the bad habit of swinging their vehicle wide the opposite direction when making a turn as if they are driving a truck with a large trailer. Stay safe out there and beware the "country swing".
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« Reply #2 on: January 15, 2012, 10:56:32 AM »

I had to do some last minute shopping at christmas and pulled into a best buy christmas eve morning on the bike. I left after a single lap of the parking lot because it was just to scary for me.

I had a lady walk out in front of me 3 times. Like, she walked in front of me, I panic stopped, she moved to the side then walked right in front of me again. Multiple times. I finally realized she could hear me so I yelled for her to move. She seemed suprised.
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« Reply #3 on: January 15, 2012, 12:10:26 PM »

Since my world is a series of parking lots (or streets that might as well be) I know hyper awareness and the assumption that every car might back out at you, cars may swing (or turn) into your lane, pedestrians may wander in front of you and the ability to stop swerve and use any other avoidance technique in my arsenal is my only salvation. I guess you need to do your parking lot practice in a city Bee. I suppose as with any other part of riding the best you can do is practice in the situations you maybe facing.
Law and custom here is that peds always have the right of way. If they choose to wander in front of you then you stop and wait.
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« Reply #4 on: January 15, 2012, 12:20:12 PM »

I am continually amazed at the number of numbskulls out there! What's more amazing is how they got this far.  Defensive driving is a necessary part of self-preservation!
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« Reply #5 on: January 15, 2012, 12:22:38 PM »

I perpetually wonder how adults have gone decades with absolutely no improvement in driving skill since first licensed.  They should be practicing every single day. 
Besides the obsession with electronic toys, I'm starting to suspect that the medicated nature of modern America is a factor.  Basically about a third of the drivers out there are on prescription drugs of some sort some very powerful opioids).
I risk getting political in noting that license revocation exists solely as a punitive measure for ignoring previous court penalties and it is almost impossible to be forbidden from driving just because one is a criminally dangerous driver.
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« Reply #6 on: January 15, 2012, 01:09:40 PM »

My co-worker (he is 77 years old) and I were talking about stupid people the other day. I told him that I have almost ceased to be amazed at the stupidity of people. Every once in a while though, someone will pull off a spectacularly stupid feat and surprise me.
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« Reply #7 on: January 15, 2012, 04:41:33 PM »

I'm certainly not advocating idiot driving, but lots that are striped for parking 90 degrees from the driveway make it difficult for fullsized vehicles to pull into the center of the space.  I drive a 1/2 ton pickup truck and more often than not, I have to back up and take another bite before I'm centered.  Lots that have 60 degree spots are far easier to negociate and safer to see when backing out.  I get that the 60 degree configuation leaves a shopping center with less overall spots, but other than 6-10 days around Christmas, is the lot ever really full?

I haven't seen the stats in a year or so, but historically, the most prevelant motor vehicle accident is the rear end collision.  A close second is backing into something.
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« Reply #8 on: January 15, 2012, 07:03:20 PM »

Parking lots are incredibly dangerous places. I never cease to be amazed at how fast some people drive through them!
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