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Offline brittles

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Help Me Buy a Bike
« Reply #50 on: March 19, 2015, 04:35:14 PM »
Beware of short valve adjustment intervals on that engine,  which owners often neglect. Out of spec valves (most always too tight) and it won't run right.

Make sure the engine is stone cold when it's started. I bought a non-running EN450 (basically the same engine) that wouldn't start without using starting fluid when cold. Would start fine once warmed up. Valve adjustment fixed it, but it's a fair amount of work getting to the valves......6 more bolts and you can remove the whole engine (not really, but your close). IIRC the interval is like 7,500 miles.

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Re: Help Me Buy a Bike
« Reply #51 on: March 21, 2015, 08:21:35 AM »
Thanks for the heads-up, Brittles.  I don't think intervals of 7500 miles are too far off from most bikes on the road.


By the way, while waiting for the VT dealer to respond with some updated info I found a beautiful VF700 Honda Interceptor.  A barn find from the previous owner who has restored it over the last three years.  He has too many bikes in his garage and has to move some of them.  I think the VF700 may be too much bike for my friend but I could ride it.  I may even want to keep it for a season afterwards.  I know there are oiling issues with the motor but I think that is the only big negative.

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Re: Help Me Buy a Bike
« Reply #52 on: March 21, 2015, 04:50:31 PM »
Here are the CL links to the bikes.


It's a 93 Nighthawk 750, not a 92.
http://capecod.craigslist.org/mcy/4861981355.html


The 84 700s.  I was way off on the mileage.
http://providence.craigslist.org/mcd/4865901566.html


The Ninja 500.
http://providence.craigslist.org/mcy/4906319029.html


The Ninja 650.
http://boston.craigslist.org/nos/mcy/4902753111.html


I think with the 650 the owner wants to simply pay off the balance of the loan.


I'm open to other bike suggestions.  Trying to keep it around 3k and have fair resell to recoup most of the money.

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Re: Help Me Buy a Bike
« Reply #53 on: March 21, 2015, 11:39:35 PM »
Thanks for the heads-up, Brittles.  I don't think intervals of 7500 miles are too far off from most bikes on the road.


By the way, while waiting for the VT dealer to respond with some updated info I found a beautiful VF700 Honda Interceptor.  A barn find from the previous owner who has restored it over the last three years.  He has too many bikes in his garage and has to move some of them.  I think the VF700 may be too much bike for my friend but I could ride it.  I may even want to keep it for a season afterwards.  I know there are oiling issues with the motor but I think that is the only big negative.

Classic VFR!  Awesome bike to own, but I know somebody with one.  Notorious for what they call "Chocolate Cams"  :naughty:

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Re: Help Me Buy a Bike
« Reply #54 on: March 22, 2015, 12:02:28 PM »
I don't think intervals of 7500 miles are too far off from most bikes on the road.

Major plus for the Nighthawk - NO valve adjustments.
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Re: Help Me Buy a Bike
« Reply #55 on: March 25, 2015, 08:35:16 AM »
The VFR owner never replied to me.  Called, left emails, nothing.  Scratch that one.

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Re: Help Me Buy a Bike
« Reply #56 on: March 25, 2015, 03:22:03 PM »
Look what I found, an 84' 700.  If this were the red/white/blue model I think I would be throwing my money at the seller already.  Just got a reply, he tells me the bike is ready to ride.  It has 45k miles and he is asking $1900.  I know about problems with second gear on the 700, are there any other issues problematic with that model?





I also found this nice 85 650, 35k miles and asking $1600.  Seems to good to pass up, especially with the mission of this bike.  It would be a very easy resell with very little loss.





Between the two I would prefer the 700 as I used to own a 650 and as great a bike as it is, it would be fun for me to have something different.

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Re: Help Me Buy a Bike
« Reply #57 on: March 25, 2015, 07:07:50 PM »
Dan that 700 looks like its been VERY well kept. It still has the faux velocity stacks. The only other issue I can think of with the '84 is the failing seal on the pulse generator side. The seal is NLA and the only fix is drilling a hole into the oil sump and sealing the pulse generator cover.

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Re: Help Me Buy a Bike
« Reply #58 on: March 25, 2015, 07:28:31 PM »
RWB is 1986 only for the 700S, so unless someone changes out the panels (or the decals) you'll never get an '84 in those colours.


The crankshaft end seal leak is relatively uncommon, and the fix is fairly simple.  The engine has shown something of a tendency to do odd things with the #3 crankshaft bearings but then I've read of the same issues cropping up with the other Honda inline-4s.  My gut feeling is that it's possibly related to lubrication so maintaining a regular regime of oil changes should keep that issue in check.
Aside from that, the starter chain can snap and require disassembly of the engine to repair it.  But like any of the "issues" with these bikes, there are still far more bikes on the road that haven't had any problems than those that have succumbed to them.
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Re: Help Me Buy a Bike
« Reply #59 on: March 25, 2015, 07:50:15 PM »
I would get both to ride together and keep the 84 for cruisin and show :D. Quickly!  On the jump!

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Re: Help Me Buy a Bike
« Reply #60 on: March 26, 2015, 07:00:58 AM »
The 700 is a great bike but the 650 is more beginner friendly. If you already had one than you know how nimble and easy to handle they are yet still have plenty of power.  Your still looking for a bike to "rent" for a beginning rider right?  The questions you're asking makes it sound like you're looking for a bike to keep for yourself.  Money wise its even.  They're both asking roughly what its worth

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Re: Help Me Buy a Bike
« Reply #61 on: March 26, 2015, 08:24:44 AM »
The 700 is a great bike but the 650 is more beginner friendly. If you already had one than you know how nimble and easy to handle they are yet still have plenty of power.  Your still looking for a bike to "rent" for a beginning rider right?  The questions you're asking makes it sound like you're looking for a bike to keep for yourself.  Money wise its even.  They're both asking roughly what its worth


Yep, Rakilla.  The thought is to sell the bike right away but I still wouldn't mind having a bike that appeals to me as well.  I've had plenty of seat time on a 650, right around 20k miles.  I only had a brief chance to ever ride a 700.  Didn't realize that they were all that different in terms of rider friendliness. 

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Re: Help Me Buy a Bike
« Reply #62 on: March 26, 2015, 09:14:44 AM »
This comes from a completely personal point of view, but for me, I think both are equally beginner friendly depending on a person's motoring experience.  95% of more performance bike troubles usually comes down to the following.

1.  No concept or experience of clutch control
2.  Not being familar with bike.  I recommend always with any new bike to ride in a quiet and familiar area getting feel for brakes, etc.
3.  Overconfidence
4.  Trying to keep up with experienced rider.

Really the clutch side of things is the biggest one for the S.  After that is just about being level headed enough to enjoy puttering and not pushing.  Take a day of just riding your area out of traffic, going over, getting the feel and inspecting the bike.  650 or the 700, a responsible attitude, think both will do well if you plan the time for proper practice and feel.

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Re: Help Me Buy a Bike
« Reply #63 on: March 26, 2015, 05:16:21 PM »
I can scratch the 700s off the list.  It was a scam, the "seller" was just dicking around and from what I can gather doesn't even have the bike.  His replies got slightly juvenile as well as being evasive.

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Re: Help Me Buy a Bike
« Reply #64 on: March 26, 2015, 05:28:47 PM »
FWIW... I think that 650 looks pretty damn nice!

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Re: Help Me Buy a Bike
« Reply #65 on: April 01, 2015, 06:27:22 AM »
Hey 750 riders, what's the range of the bike to reserve?

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Re: Help Me Buy a Bike
« Reply #66 on: April 01, 2015, 06:40:24 AM »
Dan-When riding easy I can go around 200 miles before hitting reserve.  I ride around the speed limit with some hard accel in the twisties and usually get into the 180's before reserve.  Great range on the 4.8 g tank.
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Re: Help Me Buy a Bike
« Reply #67 on: April 04, 2015, 11:22:09 AM »
The deal is done, read all the gory details here, http://nighthawk-forums.com/index.php/topic,1461.0.html.

 

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