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Offline postoak

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Nighthawk vs Nighthawk
« on: August 26, 2016, 09:24:25 AM »
Again, for those who have extensive experience with both, how do the 1984-1986 Nighthawk 700SCs compare to the 1991-2003 Nighthawk 750s in terms of performance, driveability, durability, etc.

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Re: Nighthawk vs Nighthawk
« Reply #1 on: August 26, 2016, 01:06:06 PM »

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Re: Nighthawk vs Nighthawk
« Reply #2 on: August 26, 2016, 03:48:01 PM »
Thanks, I had actually already read your post, but it was 2 days ago, so I had forgotten all about it.  haphap


It sounds like the 700 isn't the bike for a big guy.

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Re: Nighthawk vs Nighthawk
« Reply #3 on: August 26, 2016, 04:14:37 PM »
I'm 6' and comfy on the 700.

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Re: Nighthawk vs Nighthawk
« Reply #4 on: September 14, 2016, 06:00:58 PM »
More power
Less weight
Newer

Get a 91 plus

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Re: Nighthawk vs Nighthawk
« Reply #5 on: September 15, 2016, 05:47:00 AM »
I'm also 6', and the S gave me shoulder/back pain after about 40-50 miles.  The late models do too, but by that time I'm usually needing gas so it works out.

As far as maintenance, they're pretty equal engine wise, the only major difference being  the shaft drive vs. chain.  I was waxing the chain at every fill up (about 180 miles), and it was still going strong when the bike was totaled at about 25k.

The S is becoming a collector's item and good examples are getting hard to find.  Also remember that the S is an 84-86, that's 30+ years of who-knows-what.  The late model bikes were never popular, and aren't collectors items, so it's not hard to find a late 90s-2000's for  good price.  Pretty much all the parts are interchangeable from 91-03 and they wear well.

Don't get me wrong, if I had space and $, I'd love to have a mint S in the garage.  I love the looks and they're a fun ride around town.  But something I wanted to ride more, it's a late model.  Preferably in the fastest color; yellow. haphap

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Re: Nighthawk vs Nighthawk
« Reply #6 on: September 15, 2016, 07:41:58 AM »
I'm 6'2" and don't really have any significant ergonomic issues with the Nighthawk S.  It would be nice to raise the seat a little (or lower the pegs) so my knees aren't bent so much, but that's relatively minor.  I've done the Ramapo 500 twice without any problems other than a sore bum.
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Re: Nighthawk vs Nighthawk
« Reply #7 on: September 15, 2016, 09:17:33 AM »
6'4 and I've owned both the 650 and 750.  After being on the 750, I borrowed a 650.  I felt like a grizzly bear on a unicycle. 

But going from the FJR back to the 750 feels the same way. 

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Re: Nighthawk vs Nighthawk
« Reply #8 on: September 15, 2016, 06:59:53 PM »
More power
Less weight
Newer

Get a 91 plus

Not quite true, the 700 is 7 lbs heavier, but has 5hp more. 75 for the 91+ Nighthawk, 80 for the 700s.

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Re: Nighthawk vs Nighthawk
« Reply #9 on: September 15, 2016, 08:07:18 PM »
More power
Less weight
Newer

Get a 91 plus

Not quite true, the 700 is 7 lbs heavier, but has 5hp more. 75 for the 91+ Nighthawk, 80 for the 700s.

Realistically though that 80hp comes at 10000 rpm whereas the 75 on the 91 plus comes at 8500 rpm
Plus it has a few more grunts :)

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Re: Nighthawk vs Nighthawk
« Reply #10 on: September 16, 2016, 12:19:24 PM »
Has anyone here got actual dyno figures for these bikes?  I read somewhere of a magazine doing it when the 91 came out and I think it only had 62 HP at the rear wheel.

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Re: Nighthawk vs Nighthawk
« Reply #11 on: November 07, 2016, 06:55:27 AM »
More power
Less weight
Newer

Get a 91 plus


Sorry to bust that bubble. The Nighthawk S has more HP, more torque, less weight, 6 Speed, Gear Indicator, Fuel Gauge, Hydraulic Clutch, Air adjustable forks, anti-dive valving, Better MPG, a Fairing. There's no comparison. And yes, I've owned a 1991 Nighthawk 750, which I liked a lot, but I love my 84 Nighthawk S.

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Re: Nighthawk vs Nighthawk
« Reply #12 on: November 08, 2016, 05:01:59 AM »
Hmm, my experience was different, I consistently got better MPG out of the 750.  I had both (84 700 and 02 750) and commuted to the same place with them at different times.

As far as weight, I think it's a push - depends on who's specs you're reading.  HP/Torque...I'd tend to lean toward the 700, BUT it comes on at a MUCH higher RPM than the 750.  So for me, they're VERY different there, it just depends on what you prefer.  The only think I wish was that they'd used the 700S shaft on the 750.

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Re: Nighthawk vs Nighthawk
« Reply #13 on: January 24, 2017, 11:32:58 AM »
Sorry to bust that bubble. The Nighthawk S has more HP, more torque, less weight, 6 Speed, Gear Indicator, Fuel Gauge, Hydraulic Clutch, Air adjustable forks, anti-dive valving, Better MPG, a Fairing. There's no comparison. And yes, I've owned a 1991 Nighthawk 750, which I liked a lot, but I love my 84 Nighthawk S.

Dont forget the most important thing when it matters. Dual front disc brakes for 700S! A lot better fade resistance and heat dissipation when riding hard and using those things aggressively.

Does the 750 have self adjusting valves like the 700S? If not that is a nice maintenance perk for sure.

A little side by side comparison. Notice 1/4mile times, and dry weight for the person who said the 750 is lighter.

http://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/model/Honda/honda_cb750%20nighthawk_96.htm

http://www.motorcyclespecs.co.za/model/honda/honda_cb700_nighthawk_s.htm

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Re: Nighthawk vs Nighthawk
« Reply #14 on: February 13, 2017, 02:14:30 AM »
I have my 700sc. I am 6 foot 2inch and 18 stone...i ride a kawasaki ninja 600. Tried a motoguzi. R1 . ducati monster900...i prefer the honda long journeys but anything over 120 mph very uncomfortable so keep it to about 70 and fine

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Re: Nighthawk vs Nighthawk
« Reply #15 on: April 17, 2017, 09:50:09 AM »
More power
Less weight
Newer

Get a 91 plus


Sorry to bust that bubble. The Nighthawk S has more HP, more torque, less weight, 6 Speed, Gear Indicator, Fuel Gauge, Hydraulic Clutch, Air adjustable forks, anti-dive valving, Better MPG, a Fairing. There's no comparison. And yes, I've owned a 1991 Nighthawk 750, which I liked a lot, but I love my 84 Nighthawk S.

It's already been shown the 700 has less torque but more HP, at the top end. The other features are nice creature comforts but not a show stopper.


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Re: Nighthawk vs Nighthawk
« Reply #16 on: April 25, 2017, 07:35:15 AM »
I have never driven a 700s but the CB650SC is truly a classic.  They still look good to the eye 35 years since there release back in 1983.

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Re: Nighthawk vs Nighthawk
« Reply #17 on: June 15, 2017, 08:59:34 AM »
I've owned both, an '85 red/black 700s and still have a red '91 750. They are the same in name only. Both are fine bikes and both have bullet proof engines. The 700 is a sportier ride, in part due to the better suspension, but also has a host of better amenities. The 750 is a more basic bike but it is more comfortable riding 2 up. In a race from a dead stop I think the 750 would have the edge to about 60 mph then the 700 would take over and not look back. I haven't done it but the 750 feels stronger off the bottom. The 700 keeps on pulling well past where the 750 tops out. I would say let your riding style be your deciding factor.
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Re: Nighthawk vs Nighthawk
« Reply #18 on: June 15, 2017, 09:27:34 AM »
 nice1
I've owned both, an '85 red/black 700s and still have a red '91 750. They are the same in name only. Both are fine bikes and both have bullet proof engines. The 700 is a sportier ride, in part due to the better suspension, but also has a host of better amenities. The 750 is a more basic bike but it is more comfortable riding 2 up. In a race from a dead stop I think the 750 would have the edge to about 60 mph then the 700 would take over and not look back. I haven't done it but the 750 feels stronger off the bottom. The 700 keeps on pulling well past where the 750 tops out. I would say let your riding style be your deciding factor.
nice1 Very good insight. Both are great all around bikes for sure!

 

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