Different ways to steer?!?!!

[Eams]

As many of you prob know there are several ways to steer your bike.  they ways i know are leaning and have your weight tilt the bike to corner, pushing down on the handle bar to tilt the bike, and turning the handle bars of course.. but i didn't know if you try to turn them when going 30 plus it will tilt your bike in the opposite direction your trying to turn the hadle bars (i don't use this methad very often, as i don't trust it for now). 

while on the subject whats the best way to use (pros vs cons) or any other ways to turn? lol

[LOKi]

Turning the bars the opposite way you want to go (counter steer) is the preferred method. The bike is more agile and turns quicker. I found that my arms where getting tired of really cranking on the bars when I was riding around one twisty roads dragging pegs. You should use the counter steer method every time you turn. It's counter intuitive so you must force the counter steering until you don't have to think about it. You push on the bar the side you want to turn towards but you also pull on the other side.

As your going down the road, as quick as you can switch from the right side of your lane to the left. First with just leaning. Then by turning the handle bars.

[Eams]

OHHHH i never knew what they were talking about before when they said counter steering.  Here is the thing, I'm going around a corner and I'm "counter steering" and I'm slowing down, wont the counter steer turn into normal steering? and then I'm SOL.

Iv always just used my weight to corner and it works very well for me so far (could be couter steering and not know it i guess

Can someone explain to me how it works cuz it doesn't make sense.. the wheel turns right and bike leans left.... i mean if you turn the tire right the bike should turn right (would basically like to know the physics involved)

[LOKi]

You are counter steering you just don't realize it. You should not be slowing down through the turn. Slow down comming into the turn then get back on the gas to exit the turn. If you must brake in a turn then as you slow down you will need less and less counter steer to the point that your steer normally. check out this little video.

[Custom82Hawk]

best way to learn about countersteering is to hop on a bicycle :D i had a buddy who was convinced that turning the handlebars the opposite direction of the way you wanted to go made no sense.   but they say that countersteering is something everybody kinda just "learned" while riding a bicycle.  you just didn't realize you were doing it.  once i explained it to him, and he actually tried it, he then didn't try to convince me otherwise.

[Brittles]

Yeah, everybody countersteers, but some don't think they do. I remember reading something about a test bike someone had set up with the handlebars locked in the center position, to prove to the naysayers that they did indeed countersteer after barely being able to take a turn on the  test track (if at all).

[happycommuter]

Old Countersteering thread by the artist formerly known as  hang man.
Lovely video there showing that without steering input, no amount of leaning or body weight tossing will change your course.  oh, this is what Brittles was referring to.

[Bumblebee]

30+mph??? more like any forward movement at all.

Weight offset to one side doesn't tilt the bike along the roll axis unless you're stopped. If you're rolling at all, it's countersteering. Think in terms of force vectors, not turning, not leaning. It's all about force vectors.

Beyond that it's all technique starting with proper sitting posture.

Can someone explain to me how it works cuz it doesn't make sense.. the wheel turns right and bike leans left.... i mean if you turn the tire right the bike should turn right (would basically like to know the physics involved)

Again, think in terms of force vectors, not turning.

See my post on this thread:
http://nighthawk-forums.com/index.php/topic,457.0

[Eams]

thanks, i think i get it but lots to wrap my Head around lol... Iv been knowingly using it a Lot more now. 

[OriginalHawk]

Bumblebee would you like to elaborate on proper sitting posture?

[Bumblebee]

elaborate on proper sitting posture?

This:
http://nighthawk-forums.com/index.php/topic,1932.msg19598.html#msg19598

It doubled my range before getting tired and the improved maneuverability is like having a new motorcycle.