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Offline Blue

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Get Nighthawk 750 or 650?
« on: May 12, 2017, 05:27:26 PM »
I am a novice looking to move up from my current NH 250. While my research has narrowed the choices down to a NH 750, I can't seem to forget those beautiful lines on the 1985 NH 650. So I was hoping to get your input to help me decide.

Maintenance: One of the key reasons for me to get a NH is the ease of maintenance, especially since I don't know much of motorcycle maintenance/repair. Given this, are the the 650's generally as maintenance free as the newer 750's from the 90's? I know the 1985 has a shaft drive, but what about other issues due to it being more than 30 years old?

Performance: I am looking for a nimble bike to commute in the city but would also like stable Highway speeds (something not possible with current NH 250). Would this be fairly close between the two?

Luggage: I hope to use the bike for short touring trips. Would the 650 allow for adequate luggage space in comparison to the 750?

The bottom line is that if the 650 is as maintenance free and close to performance as the 750, then I would rather get that.


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Re: Get Nighthawk 750 or 650?
« Reply #1 on: May 12, 2017, 05:39:51 PM »
I liked the 650 better than the 750, but age can cause problems.
650s have less maintenance  than 750s because the 750s have a chain to maintain (oil every 500 miles)
750s have more  options than 650s when it comes to luggage
Both are great for highway speeds.
650s are prone to bad electrical power generation but repair parts are available
750s tend to break the tachometers
More parts and accessories are available for the 750s.

hard choice to make.  I also think the 650s look better.

Ride safely,

PS:  a modern CB500F will do for what you want to do and a used one can be had for about $3500.
          Fuel injection and antilock brakes are worth the higher price.

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Re: Get Nighthawk 750 or 650?
« Reply #2 on: May 15, 2017, 05:29:01 AM »
For you, I'd go with the 750 unless you want to work on the bike more.  Not that there's anything wrong with the 650, but as ExTex said, age will be a factor.  I really enjoyed owning and working on my vintage bikes, but now I don't have the time or place to do it anymore, so I don't have them. 

Offline Jrrrrrrr

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Re: Get Nighthawk 750 or 650?
« Reply #3 on: May 15, 2017, 09:12:25 AM »
I would say, and this goes for pretty much every old vehicle, that you should just go for the cleanest, garage-kept and most well-maintained example that you can find. Age and quality of previous owners is going to be the challenge here in terms of rubber parts, rust, electronics, and accidents regardless of whether its a 650 or 750 NH.

I will say that personally I like the semi-tangible benefits of the 650/700 over the 750, such as the dual-front discs, gas and gear-position gauges, and shaft drive. On the other hand, chain maintenance if you get a 750 isn't that big of a deal and should not be a deal breaker by any stretch. In your case, with maintenance being a concern, you should probably be looking for the enthusiast-owned well maintained unicorn Nighthawk I mentioned above and don't be so concerned about the sub-model. 

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Re: Get Nighthawk 750 or 650?
« Reply #4 on: May 15, 2017, 08:40:34 PM »
I owned both the 650 and 750. Short answer, 650.


It's quicker, less maintenance, lighter, better looking and more sophisticated. The 750 is more mellow and much nicer on long freeway runs. Has a better range on the tank too.  If you're a bigger person you may like the 750 better.


Like everyone already mentioned, age, the 650 was last built in 1985. I owned an 84 and over four years the only issues I had to fix were a leaking gas tank, fork seals and some brake line maintenance.  The rest of the time it was just change the oil and fill it with gas.  I didn't have any issues with my 750, it was a 2002 model but then again I didn't have more than a few months.

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Re: Get Nighthawk 750 or 650?
« Reply #5 on: May 16, 2017, 06:06:07 AM »
I owned both bikes.  In my opinion, Honda really cheapened the 750 with regards to features.  It is pretty much featureless, but it is a solid bike that will serve you well.  The 650 has more features with shaft drive, better instrumentation, and a 6th gear.  Age should be a factor though and the performance of my 650 was definitely not on par with the 750.  But you're talking about bikes 17 years difference in age. 

A lot can depend on your size.  I'm 6'4 and 270 lbs.  The 750 fit me much better and made me wonder how I ever rode the 650.  (I think that now about the 750 after moving to the FJR)

You won't miss what you never had.  If you have the 250 NH, go with the 750 NH.

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Re: Get Nighthawk 750 or 650?
« Reply #6 on: May 16, 2017, 01:40:39 PM »
Thanks to all for the input so far. Here is a new development. I feel very drawn to this 1983 Yamaha Seca.

https://appleton.craigslist.org/mcy/6121499139.html


Looks - Great
Luggage options - Great
Price - Great
Performance - A little more power than NH 750. Probably a little less nimble though.
Maintenance Liability - High Risk


Since its  priced about $800 less than an average NH 750 in my area, I am thinking that if maintenance issues do arise, there will be enough cushion in the budget to take care of it.

Luggage and Wind Protection is important to me. If I do get a NH 750 for 2k, I figure I would have to spend at least $400 for comparable fairing and luggage. In general, I have not come across too many NH 750's with decent luggage and fairing options....true?

Thoughts?




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Re: Get Nighthawk 750 or 650?
« Reply #7 on: May 16, 2017, 02:10:46 PM »
I would buy that Seca, just for the novelty of it.  When I had my NH 650 a friend of mine had a Seca, not the tricked out one you posted, same bike without luggage or home made windscreen.  The fairing was smaller as well.  He liked his bike quite a bit but I didn't really learn much about it.  From people who I've talked with that have owned both a NH and Seca they all told me they prefer the Honda (that's a rather small sampling).





Kind of reminds me of a Versys 650 LT.  Only it has shaft drive.  And probably a center stand.


There was one of those for sale in my neck of the woods last year.  I was tempted.

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Re: Get Nighthawk 750 or 650?
« Reply #8 on: May 16, 2017, 04:36:14 PM »
@Blue,
Appleton Craigslist? I am from Door Co., we might be neighbors!   


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Re: Get Nighthawk 750 or 650?
« Reply #9 on: May 16, 2017, 04:39:11 PM »
@Ace21

No from MN. Would be a 5 hr drive!

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Re: Get Nighthawk 750 or 650?
« Reply #10 on: May 17, 2017, 04:39:29 AM »
I have to say, that Seca is pretty.  Don't get me wrong, I'm not against the 650 either, just the possible maintenance.  If you don't mind that, I'd get that Seca and enjoy.

The one downside I would point out is that he says it's a one year only model.  That MAY limit parts availability.  However, it may be like the Suzuki GSX1100 G, thy just took  their standars model and added bags and fairing, so the only parts you'd have trouble getting would be those.  The rest of the bike may well be "standard" Seca.

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Re: Get Nighthawk 750 or 650?
« Reply #11 on: June 08, 2017, 12:27:59 PM »
I recall reading something about the 650 charging system not being great, and then I read something else contradicting that. I'd look into all that if I were you.

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Re: Get Nighthawk 750 or 650?
« Reply #12 on: June 08, 2017, 03:59:35 PM »
I had an 84 650, I believe the 83 model would drain the battery at idle, if you were riding at any normal speed the battery would charge.

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Re: Get Nighthawk 750 or 650?
« Reply #13 on: June 08, 2017, 06:32:30 PM »
I had an 84 650, I believe the 83 model would drain the battery at idle, if you were riding at any normal speed the battery would charge.


That sounds about what I read yeah, didn' tknow the specific year.

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Re: Get Nighthawk 750 or 650?
« Reply #14 on: June 08, 2017, 08:09:34 PM »
Most motorcycles don't charge at idle. Also I don't think you would be that much better of with a 750 maintenance wise. Any 20+ year old bike is going to need work at some point and paying a shop will usually cost more than the bikes worth. Either learn or buy from a dealer with a warranty.

 

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