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« on: February 15, 2010, 10:39:27 PM »

Not my ride but quite interesting....
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sgoralnick/2438111100/
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« Reply #1 on: February 16, 2010, 06:03:35 AM »

So  did this guy set the camera to the continual shooting (which I thought required keeping the button pushed - did he tape it down?) and rode around waving it in his left hand...or does he have better time lapse intervals and resolution than I do (1 or 2 seconds and 640 x ? pixels)?
Does have more detail, less distraction than moving video.
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« Reply #2 on: February 16, 2010, 06:28:01 AM »

Well, there were 2 guys on the bike.

And this is his camera
http://www.usa.canon.com/consumer/controller?act=ModelInfoAct&fcategoryid=139&modelid=11933#ModelDetailAct

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« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2010, 12:29:00 PM »

 11doh I apologize for my atrocious reading comprehension.

This does explain why these results are so far superior to those of my efforts shog
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« Reply #4 on: February 16, 2010, 01:57:36 PM »

               Geeez Happy, I thought it was just a fun video for us to watch.....comparisons aside.

               
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« Reply #5 on: February 16, 2010, 02:16:30 PM »

happy's just upset that the hamster that runs his charging system gets tired out too easily when he adds on the belt to the hamster's wheel that runs the crank for his old motorcycle-mounted reel to reel style camera.
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« Reply #6 on: February 16, 2010, 05:10:00 PM »

If this stellar production was achieved single-handedly with a cheapo point and shoot, I'd feel like a real loser (given my results).  Now, somewhat less so.
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« Reply #7 on: February 16, 2010, 06:40:26 PM »

I think he's missing the artistic effect the young lady was working on and not the desire of a perfectly pixilated and balanced video.
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« Reply #8 on: February 16, 2010, 07:01:04 PM »

If this stellar production was achieved single-handedly with a cheapo point and shoot, I'd feel like a real loser

In photography, the camera's capability is important up to a point. I mean you're not going to be doing 30 minute astrophoto's or stopping dancer motion in a moderately lit theatre at 5 frames per second with a generic point and shoot.

Beyond that it's all about the person behind the camera. Knowing where to aim and the shooting angle.

Based on the video, I'd guess:
Drive mode: Continuous shooting (shutter burst at 6-10 frames per second max and not for long periods of time either)
(Side note: A cabled remote shutter release would go a long way in allowing for camera positioning in a one handed environment like that. DSLR's are way too expensive to be dropping due to awkward holding positions and trying to hit the shutter release on the camera)
Shooting mode: Program AE (translation: he had a very expensive point and shoot camera) There is way too much going on to be fiddling with settings between every shot.
Auto focus.
Looks like a generic 18-55mm lens or thereabouts though there are several lenses that could do similar stuff.
A camera operator is essential. A solo rider can't do all that..well, at least not for long before crash testing the camera and/or himself.
A deliberate lack of precise camera control (settings and camera position/orientation) is essential for the overall effect.
A reasonable amount post processing to select which sequences and putting them together and inserting music.

Great magical levels of difficulty? No.
Dirt simple by going out without any plan in mind and not knowing what makes a good photo? No.

That's very well done though. I'll have to try something similar sometime if I can find a good camera operat...nevermind, I know someone who would be perfect to do the shooting.
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« Reply #9 on: February 18, 2010, 10:55:13 AM »

hello! glad you liked my video.

firstly, there was only one guy on the bike (the driver). the second person, the photographer (me) is a woman.

the camera is a canon 5D. yes it is an expensive SLR. as a photographer i have my gear insured so that i don't need to be bothered too much about bringing it into the types of situations required to do my work (though the motorcycle video was made just for fun). so holding it with one hand from a moving vehicle doesn't worry me to much, it has weathered much worse!

a shutter release or remote were not used. the camera was handheld. usually in my right hand, sometimes my left, sometimes both.

the 5D is capable of shooting at 3 fps. sometimes continuous burst mode was used, sometimes not. the lens used was the canon 16-35mm f/2.8L (not a "generic" 18-55 kit lens ;) shots were chosen and framed, i wasn't simply waving the camera around willy-nilly. but i work with this body/lens combo enough that i'm able to anticipate the field of view so i don't always need to be looking through the viewfinder to know generally what the shot will look like, so a certain element of "unplannedness" was, well... planned. the entire thing was shot from still frames taken at about 4000px by 3000px, and were resed down for the video edit.

there was no "program mode" used. there is a lot going on but yes i changed settings (shutter speed, aperture, ISO. i think my battery even ran out at one point and needed to be switched) when called for. it's fast-paced, but it's not really that much trouble when you're used to it.

in terms of post processing, all the images are straight out of camera. sadly, my video compressing knowledge/skills aren't so up to snuff so unfortunately the video is a little pixely >shrug<

if you're interested, we made a couple other shorts from the back of the same bike. see em here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sgoralnick/2400004134/
here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sgoralnick/2868798776/
and here:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/sgoralnick/2424879143/

see some of the full-res still shots here:
http://www.flickr.com/search/?w=77459334%40N00&q=phillipckim+motorcycle&m=text

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« Reply #10 on: February 18, 2010, 11:42:55 AM »

Nice work!!!
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« Reply #11 on: February 18, 2010, 01:07:22 PM »

See what nice people you can meet with nothing more than an honest compliment?

It was a really cool video, and in my opinion be even better with a little more stability.

Thanks for chiming in here and feel free to share more creative motorcycle entertainment anytime!

Can you tell us more about the bike(s).....I know that was a Harley, I think.

Do you ride your own?

It actually reflects symbolism with the horse drawn carrige and other forms of transportation passed on the bike.

Such good work in progress is a pleasure to watch and great taste in music too!  super  thumb

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« Reply #12 on: February 18, 2010, 03:13:25 PM »

The 5 Bridges one benefits from the stability of higher speed and has a more fluid motion effect.

Riding up and petting carriage horses just really cracks me up for some reason. 

I only know of one passenger that was gutsy/skilled enough to photograph from the back of a bike (no, not mine) and it was more of a novelty than art like this.  Sorry for my emphasis on the technical, but my mind goes straight to "how did they do this" and less so to art appreciation.

Also curious as to whether Ms Goralnick is a rider herself or not.  She certainly seems comfortable enough, almost acrobatic at points. 

Mr. Kim should really get some gloves.  A photographer does not want mangled hands.  Lastly, my eye says this is his Shadow being ridden.

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« Reply #13 on: February 18, 2010, 03:54:28 PM »

ah, yeah. the exercise was more about conveying motion than stability. for stability you could just simply make a fixed mount for the front and/or back of the bike.

for those interested, the bike is a 2004 honda shadow aero 750. and no, i do not ride, just joined this forum to respond to the technical photography questions regarding the video. just bicycles for me, thanks!

for those with point-and-shoots that are interested, look into getting a gorillapod (the heavy-duty ones for SLRs) for an easy way to fix a small camera to your bike (probably best during a not superfast/windy ride).

 
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« Reply #14 on: February 18, 2010, 06:52:08 PM »

We have quite a few good photographers here that I'm sure appreciate you sharing your talents.
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« Reply #15 on: February 19, 2010, 05:25:12 AM »

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