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« Reply #75 on: December 17, 2010, 10:13:48 PM »

In the comparison between those two cars, what is true for crashing is true for most everything else on them.


Newer is better.


Someone must have been crying when that car was crashed.
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« Reply #76 on: December 17, 2010, 10:18:29 PM »

The main difference, like you said, is replacement parts. How many circuit boards do you think a '60s Ford pickup has? How about a new one? My company uses automotive-spec processors and electrical components in our electronics because they tend to be manufactured and supported the longest, but even then you're at the mercy of a manufacturer and if they decide to stop producing those individual components, that's it, and the world is stuck with a finite number of replacement parts. On any old vehicle, if you can't get a part you need, any worthwhile machine shop will be able to reproduce what you need for a price. That won't be the case with proprietary electronics and circuitry.
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« Reply #77 on: December 17, 2010, 10:27:21 PM »

The main difference, like you said, is replacement parts. On any old vehicle, if you can't get a part you need, any worthwhile machine shop will be able to reproduce what you need for a price. That won't be the case with proprietary electronics and circuitry.

CDI Box anyone? (Please tell me I'm wrong)



How many circuit boards do you think a '60s Ford pickup has? How about a new one?

From MotoIQ's Project Sipster:

"If you've ever so much as changed your own oil, you know this is pure fantasy. If the mechanical bits don't scare you, consider this. The Rabbit's original, mechanically-injected engine required only 6 wires to run and was managed by a pump and a cable attached to your right foot. The new engine has 121 wires going to the computer, 64 going to the instrument cluster, and 6 going to the gas pedal. The computer is also expecting to talk to an ABS computer and might get lonely when it doesn't find one in our car."

Basically, older vehicle's might be able to last forever, but most people don't want them to anyway. For the most everyone, what they lose in serviceability is far less than what they gain in reliability, safety, convenience, capabilities, comfort, etc. over a shorter lifespan. Besides, most cars are worn out before they would die of age, at which point it's not worth the money to repair it.
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« Reply #78 on: December 18, 2010, 12:30:30 AM »

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Besides, most cars are worn out before they would die of age, at which point it's not worth the money to repair it.

The problem is that the wear out design limit went from 50+ years to 5 years. This is a throw away society. Stuff doesn't stick around long enough to break most of the time.

There's a reason our 1960's farm truck is still running strong with the original engine and every vehicle that has come along since the mid 70's is in the junk yard - including the ones that were given the utmost care to avoid breaking them. Repair vs replacement costs? Let's see here, one time cost over 40 years ago for ancient reliable with routine fix-it costs vs $20,000 every 4-6 years when the new thing falls completely apart and has to be replaced.. the old truck is, um, like free at this point with a pile of replacement cost money that never had to be spent.
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« Reply #79 on: December 18, 2010, 07:46:07 AM »

I don't think the floor boards rust out as fast on the newer vehicles. giggle
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« Reply #80 on: December 18, 2010, 07:51:59 AM »

Love that old truck Ari.  So cool that it has been in your family all these generations.
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« Reply #81 on: December 18, 2010, 09:39:06 AM »

The problem is that the wear out design limit went from 50+ years to 5 years. This is a throw away society. Stuff doesn't stick around long enough to break most of the time.

Moral decay is not the reason.

Priorities have changed. New cars need to have low emissions and high safety ratings, in addition to everything else a consumer wants. Believe it or not, people like A/C, airbags, no tailpipe smoke, better fuel economy, a chance at surviving a crash, and to visit the shop a lot less. To meet those requirements, systems such as airbags and catalysts, oxygen sensors and refrigerant compressors all have to be in place. Problem is they cost a lot to replace. There are still plenty of people that keep their old (but not 1960's old) cars on the road for 200,000 miles and beyond.  Hell, our old Jeep lasted 230,000 without any engine problems before C4C poured things other than oil in the crankcase. No 1965 work truck can approach that level of reliability. When the tally to repair everything that's wrong with a vehicle far exceeds the market price, it should be junked, in most people's eyes. Simple economics.
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« Reply #82 on: December 18, 2010, 11:35:49 AM »

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Besides, most cars are worn out before they would die of age, at which point it's not worth the money to repair it.

The problem is that the wear out design limit went from 50+ years to 5 years. This is a throw away society. Stuff doesn't stick around long enough to break most of the time.

There's a reason our 1960's farm truck is still running strong with the original engine and every vehicle that has come along since the mid 70's is in the junk yard - including the ones that were given the utmost care to avoid breaking them. Repair vs replacement costs? Let's see here, one time cost over 40 years ago for ancient reliable with routine fix-it costs vs $20,000 every 4-6 years when the new thing falls completely apart and has to be replaced.. the old truck is, um, like free at this point with a pile of replacement cost money that never had to be spent.
Are we talking cars? No automobile was ever purposely engineered to go anywhere near 50 years. For all the reasons Option listed as well as exactly how long would an auto company stay in business if they did this? You might not like it but companies do need to make $$ and selling a person one car in their lifetime won't do it.
My 60's car looked like this in the 70's. It was an exception to the rule in that it even survived that long. Bumpers falling off, fenders flapping and your feet punching through the floor boards were common.
When shopping for used cars at that time you figured at 50,000 miles there were going to be repairs, 75,000 meant serious repairs and anything near 100,000 wasn't even considered.
Having recently shopped for an inexpensive used car I can tell you now there are loads of cars out there with 100-200,000 miles that are running very well.
I commuted (3+ hours a day) in 1960's cars up until a few years ago. Safety is non-existent compared to modern cars. Unpadded steel dash boards, poor braking ability and a single master cylinder (nothing says wake up like one of those failing  yikes) maybe lap belts (maybe not they were an option or unavailable in early cars), and steering wheels that you could pretty much tell would break in an accident and send the center post punching through your chest. Like motorcycles, driving such cars is a calculated risk, not one many people would choose over modern safety features.
Reliability may or may not be there. Betting your lively hood on an old car getting you somewhere everyday can be sketchy no matter how well you maintain it. A part breaking can mean weeks, possibly months of scavenging. It isn't easy  for a typical person to have that luxury or the fortitude to keep up the battle. You do it cause you love to drive something like that, not because it is practical.
But anyway, back to Hondas. When I decided to move on from commuting in old cars I bought a used '98 Civic GX, a CNG car. Wasn't really for the convenience of a newer car as it was for that precious HOV sticker that came with it.




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