Did you know?

[onarian]

Did you know that at highway speeds you turn left to go right and right to go left?     Try it.. Going down the highway, push the handle bars with your left hand and the bike with lean and turn to the left.   

[happycommuter]

This guy who used to post hear said something about that, but I'm pretty sure he was joking

[onarian]

It's not a joke. Give it a test.. It made me  when I was told that and tried it. But if you look at the racers posters when they are in the fast hard turn, you can see the wheel is turned in the other direction.

[happycommuter]

What's weird is how most riders unconsciously countersteer.  Does anybody know someone who is always veering off in the wrong direction?  It's so counter-intuitive, but we've all picked it up, many without even knowing it.

[Maxx]

I learned that in the 70's when I used to race.

[86cb700sc]

Yup, and they teach you that in MSF, as well as any good riding course.

Not news, sorry. :P

[DonD]

http://www.superbikeschool.com/machinery/no-bs-machine.php

Read, watch and draw your own conclusions.

[Hondo]

Leaning on the pegs is an entirely new dynamic when used as well -

[Bumblebee]

It's not a joke. Give it a test.. It made me  when I was told that and tried it.

It's simple straight forward physics. It's all about force vectors, not cage style direction changes. Heck, if you watch closely even cages try to go the wrong direction when turning right to go right or left to go left. The only interference is the second set of tandem wheels damping out the roll axis and making the cage turn the hard way.
If the concept doesn't make sense, see the post I wrote in the thread that happycommuter referenced.

[CraigF]

Counter-steering is not just used at highway speeds.  Use it at low speeds to master cones (in the test) or any quick manuever.  I use it daily and I'm rarely on the highway.

If you don't counter-steer, then you have to drop your speed significantly to pilot even a simple curve in the road.

[xxxbotchlaxxx]

At MSF they basically just said lean the bike in the direction you want to go unless you are doing under 15 or so.  They say you don't lean, your bike does.  The counter steering just naturally happens for me.  I have always wanted to know though exactly how fast you have to be going to have to lean off your bike into a turn like a motogp rider!

like so

[Bumblebee]

I have always wanted to know though exactly how fast you have to be going to have to lean off your bike into a turn like a motogp rider!

I'm not sure about a speed or more to the point, a curve, where you actually have to lean off the bike however you can do it around 15mph and maybe even a little less if you really want to.

Leaning off definitely changes the dynamics of a turn.

[86cb700sc]

At MSF they basically just said lean the bike in the direction you want to go unless you are doing under 15 or so.  They say you don't lean, your bike does. 

You got it reversed - you lean it at low speeds, countersteer everywhere else.

Check the MSF manual if you disagree. It's in there.

[MrF]

You got it reversed - you lean it at low speeds, countersteer everywhere else.

Check the MSF manual if you disagree. It's in there.

That's why all those racers are upright going through turns. . .

You have to lean it to turn at speed, countersteering is just the method you use to lean the bike.

[86cb700sc]

I'm talking about the control input, not the effect thereof. At low speeds you lean the bike by shifting your weight, more or less. At higher speeds you simply countersteer; the bike leans of its own accord.

[MrF]

I'm talking about the control input, not the effect thereof. At low speeds you lean the bike by shifting your weight, more or less. At higher speeds you simply countersteer; the bike leans of its own accord.

Roger, semantics, disregard.

[xxxbotchlaxxx]

like I said, the bike leans, you dont, at low speed you steer normally, at higher speeds, you push the bars and the pegs to lean the bike over, you don't turn to bars in the direction you want to go as you would at low speed, same idea as what you said, I just used poor wording