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Author Topic: Potential new bike: 84 Sabre VF700S - What should I look for?  (Read 713 times)
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« on: October 28, 2010, 11:34:56 AM »

I saw a listing for an 84 VF700S Sabre for a good price. It has 14,000 miles, and the owner says it's been garaged and from the pics it looks like it too. The only problem is there is an "electrical issue." According to the add, the "Bike starts and runs fine for several minutes, but then starts to bog down and the headlight flickers." He says he took it to a shop and they estimated around $200 to fix it. I need to call the owner and ask him some questions today.

So I have two questions for all of you:
1) what could be causing the symptoms he describes?
2) what else should I look for when I go take a look at the bike?
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« Reply #1 on: October 28, 2010, 12:31:02 PM »

Soounds to me like a fuel/carb issue. That's purely speculative though. If the headlight is flickering because the motor is bogging down then fixing that issue should resolve the headlight issue. If possible find out how long since it's been ridden regularly and if it was stored properly.
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« Reply #2 on: October 28, 2010, 12:36:16 PM »

I'm curious if the bike shop actually has an idea of what the problem is or if they're just trying to gouge.

Those bikes are known for melting the stator connectors, so I'll pull the side covers and look for the connector with three yellow wires, check for any discoloration or melting. I'd also put a multimeter on the battery and see whether or not it's charging - idle, 2000rpm, 5000rpm.

Is the headlight flickering on and off or just dimming? Does it dim in sync with the revs dropping or is in independent of the engine speed? Based on the given symptoms, it isn't necessarily electrical. If fuel flow were restricted, the bike could idle fine for a few minutes but then bog down as one or two cylinders started running out of fuel. The dropping engine speed would cause the headlight to dim. The fuel system on the Sabre/Magna is complex (well, compared to the Nighthawk's single fuel line). They have a couple different lines of different sizes, a filter, and a pump.

These bikes were also known for low oil pressure causing excessive pitting on the cams eventually leading to cam failure. Unless an oil mod has been installed (unlikely, but if so you'll see two flexible oil lines coming from a spacer installed before the oil filter going directly to the heads), the only way to find out cam condition is to pull the valve covers, which is the pain in the ass and requires pulling the cooling system.

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Knowing that the bike needs some sort of mystery work and that you're taking a gamble on the cam condition, I wouldn't pay much more than $500-600 for the bike, especially since you can find V65 Sabres in a great condition in the $1000 range.
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« Reply #3 on: October 28, 2010, 01:28:40 PM »

ALWAYS ask if it has a clean title and if it has a key. ALWAYS.
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« Reply #4 on: October 28, 2010, 01:51:58 PM »

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« Reply #5 on: October 29, 2010, 09:13:42 PM »

I wouldn't expect this at 14k miles, but I've ran into a lot of Sabres where 2nd or 3rd was shot and popped out under acceleration.  make sure that electrical problem is something simple, if not, that gremlin will haunt you forever.  Honestly I loved the look and the power of the bigger older V4s, but they seemed to have more issues than they were worth, just my .02 
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