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« on: November 15, 2010, 12:24:31 PM »

Spent Sunday morning taking the MSF ERC (Experienced Rider Course) and thought I’d do a review for those wondering whether or not the class might be for you. The coach told us that there are 3 versions of the ERC. One that is classroom time, one that you test out of and the one we were taking which is skills practice. The class lasted 5 hours and was all riding.
There were 12 bikes in the class. Riders and bikes covered a wide range. There were fully dressed Harleys, a KLR, a Gixxer, a Ducati and a variety of cruisers. Ages were from mid 20’s to a guy so old he didn’t know what model bike he was riding.  eek7
We didn’t discuss backgrounds but at least a couple of riders said they had been riding since the 60’s.
I took the Basic Course 2 ½ years ago and had been riding for about 6 months before that, have somewhere between 20-30,000 miles behind me. Due to a physical limitation I had taken the BRC on a scooter so no shifting. I was curious if going back and doing the course on a mc was going to be different and/or if I would learn something new. It wasn’t and I didn’t.
My Husband (V) was with me. He rode BSAs and Hondas way back, returned to riding a couple of years ago and has ridden 10-15,000 miles in that time. He’s never taken any sort of riding class.
If you have taken the BRC the exercises in the ERC are going to be very familiar to you. Quick stops, swerves, slow riding and pauses, cone weaves, cornering and of course, the dreaded box. The only thing that was different was they had us do one of the early exercises only holding the bars with one hand. It was a gentle cone weave and turns. I really didn’t get the point of having us ride one handed and it was optional, you could keep both hands on the bars if you wanted.
The figure 8 box was two sizes. I didn’t get the measurements but we started larger and worked our way into the smaller size.  Having flash backs to the BRC I thought this was going to horrible. It wasn’t. V had no problem get his mid size cruiser though it and he has never done a figure 8.
So was it worth the $90 each it cost us?
V thought so. Being he is all self taught he learned things. I’m proud of him, he was easily one of the best riders out there.
For me, eh, not so sure.  It was practice, which is good. I don’t do parking lot practice but so many of those maneuvers I use regularly, if not daily, that I don’t feel I got a lot out of it. One of the coaches approached me after class and told me I had impressive riding skills.  ricky I am not saying I am all that great, there are plenty of skills I need to work on, these particular things are just things I use regularly.
So if you are thinking about it honestly evaluate how you ride, do you practice swerves, quick stops, cornering and other maneuvers that are going to save your hide when the unexpected happens? If not the class will be good for you. From what I observed of the other riders most of them were going to benefit.  shog
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« Reply #1 on: November 15, 2010, 12:40:37 PM »

So now you have your M1 licence?  shog
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« Reply #2 on: November 15, 2010, 01:05:07 PM »

So now you have your M1 licence?  shog
No, I passed the BRC and got it back then.
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« Reply #3 on: November 15, 2010, 01:08:25 PM »

I'm waiting on the "Tamale Reviewwinker
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« Reply #4 on: November 15, 2010, 03:28:39 PM »

Thanks for the write up, I have been debating taking this course. From this I dont think it would be that beneficial since I still practice the techniques on a regular basis.
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« Reply #5 on: November 15, 2010, 04:00:17 PM »

Thanks for the review Burgi...on my budget it seems like I wouldn't really get $90 worth.  I think I'll just keep saving for a "Riding School" experience.
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« Reply #6 on: November 15, 2010, 04:37:39 PM »

Thanks for the review Burgi...on my budget it seems like I wouldn't really get $90 worth.  I think I'll just keep saving for a "Riding School" experience.
The one I really one I want is $390 and I wish I'd saved the $$ to put towards that. Don't know if I'll ever scrape up that kind of spare cash.  Sad
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« Reply #7 on: November 15, 2010, 06:29:35 PM »

Years ago when I took it, I realized they were teaching a lot of stuff that I'd already figured out myself.  But it was nice to know the why of it, and to explicitly practice it under observation.

The one-handed gag is probably to prove when you are pushing or pulling on a handlebar.  It becomes so instinctive that most people are unaware of counter-steering... and very often are arms are unconsciously fighting each other's inputs.  I prefer Lee Parks' advice to slacken and the outside arm (inside arm at low speed) and drop the elbow.

The big benefit, besides practice and targeted advice is the attitude adjustment.  I went in all cocky, and came out realizing that fatsos on heavy baggers could outcorner my sporty little bike.  Recognizing that you can improve means that you are open to improvement. 
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« Reply #8 on: November 15, 2010, 06:51:56 PM »

I've taken the ERC 4 times, when I worked on a military post it was free so I did it every chance I got. Depending on the instructor, it can be mindless practice or it can be intensive low-speed training.

I scraped my first peg during my second ERC and there was no looking back; it changed how I ride.

My last ERC, I found that I could not swerve as well as I'd like, and the one-handed riding has become a staple of how I handle long-distance (ride your own ride and mitigate the risks how you see fit, I have arthritis and it helps).

So I think it depends on the instructor and local MSF practices, but I do highly endorse it.

Thanks for posting what you did!
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« Reply #9 on: November 15, 2010, 07:27:51 PM »

Thanks for the review Burgi...on my budget it seems like I wouldn't really get $90 worth.  I think I'll just keep saving for a "Riding School" experience.

I bought my Corbin for the NH from an instructor here:

http://www.stayinsafe.com/
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