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Title: Help Me Buy a Bike
Post by: Dan on February 26, 2015, 10:55:29 AM
Well, maybe.  I have a friend visiting early June and we are headed to Americade.  He lives to far away and there are no good rental options in the area (Boston) so our plan is to buy a cheaper but decent bike and then resell it after the rally.  We are also looking to have his bike shipped from Seattle area.  So I checked CL and found four bikes to consider.


Before I list the bikes I should let you know that he is a beginner rider but with decent weather in the Pacific Northwest he can hone his skills a bit.  Here are the bikes.


2007 Kawasaki Ninja 500.  In good shape, road ready with newish tires, chain and somewhere around 7k miles.  $3000


2012 Kawasaki Ninja 650.  In like new shape with 4k miles.  $3500


1992 Honda Nighthawk 750.  Fair shape with some add-ons like wind screen.  $1950


1984 Honda Nighthawk 700s.  Looks to be in pristine shape, all stock, 11,000 miles.  $2750




The Ninja 650 is a really good deal but I already own a Ninja 650 so I wouldn't get anything out of it and I am the one buying the bike.  Plus it's green too, just like mine.


I really like the Nighthawk 700s but that is spendy for such an old bike no matter the shape.


Any thoughts?
Title: Re: Help Me Buy a Bike
Post by: RJ CB650 on February 26, 2015, 03:35:41 PM
To just ride?  Probably the 92.  The parts easier for what is needed and the S is expensive because peeps be wantin them.  Hitting collectible area with that
Title: Re: Help Me Buy a Bike
Post by: RobbieAG on February 26, 2015, 04:26:16 PM
2007 Kawasaki Ninja 500.  In good shape, road ready with newish tires, chain and somewhere around 7k miles.  $3000

- Good bikes but a new chain at 7k is a red flag; probably wasn't maintained. Also sounds a little pricey.


2012 Kawasaki Ninja 650.  In like new shape with 4k miles.  $3500

- Sounds too good to be true - CL scam?


1992 Honda Nighthawk 750.  Fair shape with some add-ons like wind screen.  $1950

- Definitely too much for a bike that old in "fair" condition. See how much he'll take for it.


1984 Honda Nighthawk 700s.  Looks to be in pristine shape, all stock, 11,000 miles.  $2750

- Sounds nice, but I don't know if I'd want my newbie friend riding it.


If the 2012 650 is legit, I'd go for it, especially since you're already familiar with it. Also if there are any extra farkles on it, you could take them for your bike before you sell it.




Title: Re: Help Me Buy a Bike
Post by: RJ CB650 on February 26, 2015, 04:49:57 PM
2007 Kawasaki Ninja 500.  In good shape, road ready with newish tires, chain and somewhere around 7k miles.  $3000

- Good bikes but a new chain at 7k is a red flag; probably wasn't maintained. Also sounds a little pricey.

Yeah, that is pretty odd for a chain "somewhere around 7k" is really wierd since any rider would pretty much know...

2012 Kawasaki Ninja 650.  In like new shape with 4k miles.  $3500

- Sounds too good to be true - CL scam?

It is so "too good to be true" I wouldn't waste my time even looking.  If even just usable should be probably 2k more than that that...  A new one is 8 grand here before any taxes.  But heck, if it was still in condition for what it should be at 4k mi, I would spend up to six.

Edit:  That said, it could be something as simple as "Took it in the divorce and selling it cheap for spite/so she don't get much"
Title: Re: Help Me Buy a Bike
Post by: Dan on February 26, 2015, 05:19:58 PM
Here are the CL links to the bikes.


It's a 93 Nighthawk 750, not a 92.
http://capecod.craigslist.org/mcy/4861981355.html (http://capecod.craigslist.org/mcy/4861981355.html)


The 84 700s.  I was way off on the mileage.
http://providence.craigslist.org/mcd/4865901566.html (http://providence.craigslist.org/mcd/4865901566.html)


The Ninja 500.
http://providence.craigslist.org/mcy/4906319029.html (http://providence.craigslist.org/mcy/4906319029.html)


The Ninja 650.
http://boston.craigslist.org/nos/mcy/4902753111.html (http://boston.craigslist.org/nos/mcy/4902753111.html)


I think with the 650 the owner wants to simply pay off the balance of the loan.


I'm open to other bike suggestions.  Trying to keep it around 3k and have fair resell to recoup most of the money.
Title: Re: Help Me Buy a Bike
Post by: RJ CB650 on February 26, 2015, 08:10:28 PM
right side picture, taken at a different time for the 650.  Could be a guy like me who goes to the same photo spot when in the mood?  You are right he could just be needing to sell, and sell it fast.  Wouldn't hurt to check it out.

The S is a vendor.  A bit more than going market value as result.  Without documented history, the words are all fluff.

Both are viable, but it will depend on the time of run and style of bike wanted.  The 93 is fully photographed at the same time.  Selling pics so is pretty legit.  2K for a solid and probably documented history on the bike, could be worth it.  Saving a few hundred bucks and needing to spend twice what you save to get it running...  It is a solid bike.

So the 93 for sure check out, is a good and solid bike plus reliable if legitimate sale.  The 650 ninja is still the "if it is too good to be true..."
Title: Re: Help Me Buy a Bike
Post by: Rakillia on February 26, 2015, 08:18:22 PM
I agree.  The 93 looks in good shape and probably has some room to negotiate.  Also keeping in mind your friend is a beginner.  It would be your cheapest option.  The 650 is worth checking out but does look a little shady.  The 700 is defiantly out.  He's a dealer and is probably going to want to sell above $2k which is going to be really hard to get back out of it. 


I would vote the 93 simply because if you can get it for $1800 you shouldn't have a problem getting it back out.
Title: Re: Help Me Buy a Bike
Post by: Dan on February 26, 2015, 09:02:50 PM
Right now I'm torn between the 93 Nighthawk and the 07 Ninja 500.


Agree with you about the 700s, I've just always been partial to that bike.  I think you are right about the Ninja 650, however, it is winter so maybe they were summer pics.  Either way, something fishy about that one.


Here is one more curveball.  I let my friend ride my Ninja 650 and I ride this one and then sell this when done.
http://worcester.craigslist.org/mcy/4840670419.html (http://worcester.craigslist.org/mcy/4840670419.html)


I'm taking off for a trip for a few days.  If I don't reply soon it's not that I'm not interested I just may not have a lot of internet.
Title: Re: Help Me Buy a Bike
Post by: RobbieAG on February 27, 2015, 07:24:26 AM
I do think the Ninja 650 is the best deal, but for your purposes the 93 750 makes more sense. It's the cheapest (try to get it for $1500), looks to be in decent shape (love the blue!) and will sustain the least damage if something happens (no plastics). I think you should have some kind of agreement with your friend that if something does happen, they'll be responsible for the damage or loss of value.

I think if you get the VFR, you'll end up keeping it and selling your Ninja.
Title: Re: Help Me Buy a Bike
Post by: CountryG on February 27, 2015, 08:33:56 AM
No brainer.  the 650 is the best deal if in good shape.

easier to sell, less chance of down time
Title: Re: Help Me Buy a Bike
Post by: RJ CB650 on February 27, 2015, 08:50:35 AM
If this helps...

http://www.revzilla.com/common-tread/best-used-motorcycles-for-under-5000?utm_content=stream&utm_campaign=boosted-posts&utm_medium=social&utm_term=best-used-motorcycles-for-under-5000&utm_source=facebook
Title: Re: Help Me Buy a Bike
Post by: Dan on February 27, 2015, 02:49:37 PM
Thanks for the link on best used bikes, RJ. I think we all know what good bikes Nighthawks are. If decent shape it's a rock solid machine. You can say the same for the Ninja 500. Both solid dependable bikes.

Robbie, you are so right about me keeping the VFR, not a bad thing.

As far as ground rules my friend will pay up to $600 difference in the resell as that's what it would cost for him to rent.
Title: Re: Help Me Buy a Bike
Post by: nhawk57 on February 27, 2015, 07:42:13 PM
Each is worthy of consideration but based on the info you have now, the 750 seems to be the safe choice.  Not to mention the comfort factor given there will be some miles to cover on the trip.
Title: Re: Help Me Buy a Bike
Post by: DesignFlaw06 on February 28, 2015, 10:16:30 AM
I can only speak from experience. I would say the 93 Nighthawk. A buddy of mine was looking at these early spring last year. He had 4 sell out from under him before he could get there to take a look. One guy sold it while he was on the phone with him. You should have no trouble selling it, especially if he is willing to take a $600 dive on it. And if he is new, that is the least amount of liability. It can survive a fall better than the others. But see what you can do about the price.

Stay away from the 84. You'll have a harder time selling this.
Title: Re: Help Me Buy a Bike
Post by: Dan on February 28, 2015, 11:00:47 AM
Looks like operation buy-a-bike is a go. Just got the quote for round trip shipping his bike and it's $1500.

I'm traveling right now but when I get home next week I will see if either are still available. One of the other reasons the Ninja may be better is he is only riding a CBR250 currently. The size and weight of the Ninja may be better for him.

Can't believe Serena is down with this plan. What a keeper.
Title: Re: Help Me Buy a Bike
Post by: Dan on March 03, 2015, 07:56:25 AM
I'm going to check out the Nighthawk when I get back home. Previously I owned a 650, what should I look out for on a used 750?
Title: Re: Help Me Buy a Bike
Post by: RJ CB650 on March 03, 2015, 08:36:21 AM
The nighthawk design is pretty solid.  Nothing special I can think of specific to that bike.  Just the usual things.  Chains, brakes, odd engine noises, carb condition, etc.

Edit:  Even on a quick buy and sell.  If going to ride only for a weekend, if the tires/chains/brakes are bad, only takes one mile to kick you in the ass.
Title: Re: Help Me Buy a Bike
Post by: RobbieAG on March 03, 2015, 09:31:17 AM
I'm going to check out the Nighthawk when I get back home. Previously I owned a 650, what should I look out for on a used 750?

One thing to watch out for is the tach that stops working on many 750s after around 25k miles. Not a big deal, but it would affect the price (buying and selling). Since you're only keeping it short term, things like tires, chain and sprockets and maintenance items like that are more important because they're expensive and you're wouldn't get most of your money back on them. Other than that, just standard bike buying.

EDIT: Great Podcast about buying used bikes (https://s3.amazonaws.com/ClevelandMotoPodcast/2015+Podcasts/Clevelandmoto+Podcast+77.mp3) (language may be offensive).

Here's a checklist I've used.

Motorcycle Buying Checklist

1.   Title – check for salvage title and that VIN matches (Nighthawk 750 on neck of frame)
2.   Always begin the check procedure with the bike cold
3.   Bring a flashlight
4.   Any service records, manuals, tool kit or original parts if some were replaced? When was last maintenance done? When were valves last adjusted (Nighthawk N/A)
5.   Go through “TCLOCS”
    a.   Tires and rims (for dents or other damage)
    b.   Controls all work
    c.   Lights and electronics
    d.   Oil and other fluids (brake, coolant etc.). When were they last changed?
    e.   Chassis – check suspension bounce
    f.   Stands – side and center. Is there a stand cutoff switch?
6.   Check inside of gas tank for rust or milky substance and check the cap which should have the same key as the ignition.
7.   Chain and sprockets – should be no side to side movement. If there is, chain and sprockets will have to be replaced @ $500. Check for proper adjustment – ¾ - 1” slack
8.   Forks – run finger down part that goes inside fork – if any oil, seals are shot.
9.   Check a spark plug (Nighthawk should be an NGK if original)
10.   Check battery and connections
11.   Check all cables, wires, brake lines etc.
12.   Check under rear fender for rubber (sign of burnouts)
13.   Check seat for rips and that it can be lifted properly
14.   If bike has a center stand, spin the wheels and check bearings
15.   Check for any leaks
16.   Start engine (check choke operation) and check for hard starting
17.   Idle – Nighthawk should be 1100 +- 100 and stay steady
18.   Check throttle that it works freely and snaps back properly
19.   Check for engine smoking
20.   Frame – check for straightness and signs of welds – peeling paint
21.   Check charging system with a multimeter – should be 13-15 volts with bike running
22.   Check brakes in neutral that they’re firm and stop the bike. Check pad wear.
23.   Check clutch (friction zone) for smoothness
24.   Check for exhaust leaks and for equal pressure out of both pipes
25.   Any flexibility on price? What’s wrong with the bike? Money back guarantee? Warrantee?
Title: Re: Help Me Buy a Bike
Post by: Dan on March 04, 2015, 10:23:09 AM
Thanks, Robbie.  That's a great list.  I didn't do half that stuff when I bought my previous Nighthawk, I got very lucky and picked a good one.


RJ, even though I'm going to be reselling the bike I may keep it around longer than the week ride to Americade.


Another question, I'm drawing a blank on decent yet older bikes.  Something sporty or standard... even adventure style would be okay as long as it isn't too potent a bike for a newbish rider.  Not interested in cruisers at all.


I've looked for Versys, VStrom, SV650, GSX650F, FZ6R, Ninja 650 (500), Bonneville (Scrambler, Thruxton) and the Nighthawk and a few Suzuki GS models.  Really want to stay in the 90's and more current though if the right bike came along I would consider.


I've contacted the owner about his 93 Nighthawk.  I'll let you know how that goes.
Title: Re: Help Me Buy a Bike
Post by: RJ CB650 on March 04, 2015, 12:36:54 PM
Think that is pretty decently covered from bikes I can remember from the 90s.  90s and early 2000s was sort of a dark age.  There were nice bikes, that that was when things got seriously niche.  That link I gave earlier kinda covers it well and what I know.  From honda, only decent 90s I can think is ye good ol air cooled nighthawks.  Triumph will be looking at a bit newer.
Title: Re: Help Me Buy a Bike
Post by: Dan on March 06, 2015, 06:07:05 AM
Anyone familiar with the Kawasaki ZR750?


http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/mcy/4919010571.html (http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/mcy/4919010571.html)
Title: Re: Help Me Buy a Bike
Post by: RJ CB650 on March 06, 2015, 07:31:45 AM
Cannot say that I know much, but it is actually a classic sport standard.  Similar in principles to the 919, hawks, etc.  IIRC, that is a sport model since I thought that was a naked bike.

That might not be a bad find if in good condition.  I was curious so just quick researched.  If one area of concern and to check.  Is carbed, but fancy electronics with the carbs?  Eight valve engine I read for good mid range.  6 gallon (almost) tank but a five speed so range would depend on it's gearing?

From my standpoint, not a high demand bike which is why priced lower, but would be something comfortable and predictable while still fun from the numbers.
Title: Re: Help Me Buy a Bike
Post by: skatehawk86 on March 06, 2015, 09:30:57 AM
Dan, a friend of mine had a zr750 s with the ninja like fairing. It was ok. Questionable cold starting. Then the brakes went out and the insurance totalled it.  Idk if poor maintenance on his part but the bike only had 25,000 on it. It was an 03. Also not much at all in aftermarket.
Title: Re: Help Me Buy a Bike
Post by: Dan on March 09, 2015, 10:31:12 AM

The owner of the 93 NH sent me some close-up photos of his bike.  It's the one with 12000+ miles on it.  I'm a bit deflated as it seems in rougher shape than the other photos suggested.  He hasn't been deceptive and clearly stated in his ad about the surface rust.  Take a look at these photos and let me know what you think?


(http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u179/wisart/MC%20Stuff/NH-tire_zpsjrvduqis.jpg)


(http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u179/wisart/MC%20Stuff/NH-Shock_zps7gbutcfy.jpg)


(http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u179/wisart/MC%20Stuff/NH-Header_zpsjbdwrktb.jpg)


(http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u179/wisart/MC%20Stuff/NH-Instruments_zps837bsaei.jpg)


(http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u179/wisart/MC%20Stuff/NH-Engine_zpsm3kvaffw.jpg)


(http://i168.photobucket.com/albums/u179/wisart/MC%20Stuff/NH-brake_zpsoyisquh9.jpg)


The front tire looks to be in bad shape but that could just be the lighting.


Not trying to be too picky but even my 84 Nighthawk didn't have this much surface rust.  Maybe because he lives out on the cape.


Thoughts?  Worth pursuing?
Title: Re: Help Me Buy a Bike
Post by: brittles on March 09, 2015, 03:30:01 PM
That surface rust is nothing IMO. The majority of it would come off with some elbow grease.

Might just be the angle of the pic but are the handle bars and/or risers bent?
Title: Re: Help Me Buy a Bike
Post by: POXY on March 09, 2015, 03:31:18 PM
If I wanted a bike for me, I would probably buy it for $1500.


But buying it now for my friend who comes in 6 month, keeping it running until then,just to ride it for a few days and then going through the trouble of selling it later, I wouldn't do that if there is a place where I could rent a decent one for a fair price.


My 2 cents.
Title: Re: Help Me Buy a Bike
Post by: POXY on March 09, 2015, 03:37:05 PM
looking at the other picture, did somebody work on the muffler? The end cap at the muffler I mean.
Title: Re: Help Me Buy a Bike
Post by: Wosmo on March 09, 2015, 06:17:58 PM
I don't think it looks too bad for the money. O'course I'm also just trying to interpret what I'm seeing in a couple of pictures. For $1500 I would expect it to run pretty well but not necessarily be a beauty queen. But maybe that's just me.
Title: Re: Help Me Buy a Bike
Post by: Dan on March 09, 2015, 08:05:23 PM
The owner is asking $1950 not $1500.  Yes, I do plan on reselling the bike fairly quick.  But it will be my bike legally so I can enjoy it a bit before I resell.


Also, this isn't six months away, it's three months away.  Americade is in early June.  Maybe it's a foolish endeavor but other than the hassle of buying/selling/insurance/registration this will turn out to be less than renting... maybe.  I've looked at rentals in the area and there are no good options.
Title: Re: Help Me Buy a Bike
Post by: POXY on March 09, 2015, 08:23:52 PM
Oh, I thought earlier you said renting was something around $600.
Title: Re: Help Me Buy a Bike
Post by: Dan on March 09, 2015, 08:35:31 PM
I did, POXY.  The problem was that the rental I did find required the rider to have two years experience in the saddle and my friend does not have that much experience yet.
Title: Re: Help Me Buy a Bike
Post by: Rakillia on March 09, 2015, 09:34:38 PM
The biggest question I would ask is the date stamp on the tires.  You absolutely don't want to have to deal with putting new tires on it so your friend will be safe.  Its the biggest $$$$ you can spend on bike maintenance.  He would have to drop his price from $1900 significantly if the tires are more than 3 years old in order for this to work for you.  You might want to check how much it is to register in your state.  Its something like $260 in my state.  I don't see how the math is going to work unless your comfortable with losing at least $600.  On the flip side, if you are good with a wrench, 3 months is plenty of time to get something road worthy.  You could make a profit if you find the right bike and fix it yourself.
Title: Re: Help Me Buy a Bike
Post by: RobbieAG on March 10, 2015, 09:50:23 AM
The corrosion and pitting is not a big deal for your intended ride, but it will be when it comes time to sell it. You have to get it at the right price - I'd say $1500 max. If the date stamp on the tires don't check out, then forget it. Spring is almost here and a lot more bikes will be showing up on CL soon.
Title: Re: Help Me Buy a Bike
Post by: DesignFlaw06 on March 10, 2015, 12:32:43 PM
I did, POXY.  The problem was that the rental I did find required the rider to have two years experience in the saddle and my friend does not have that much experience yet.

How would they know something like that to enforce it? Maybe it is different in other states, but my license just has a CY endorsement with no date on it.
Title: Re: Help Me Buy a Bike
Post by: 131dude262 on March 10, 2015, 04:30:56 PM
Looks OK to me.

A aluminum foil ball will take rust spots right off. Works especially well on dots of rust on chrome.
Title: Re: Help Me Buy a Bike
Post by: Dan on March 10, 2015, 05:21:10 PM
I did, POXY.  The problem was that the rental I did find required the rider to have two years experience in the saddle and my friend does not have that much experience yet.

How would they know something like that to enforce it? Maybe it is different in other states, but my license just has a CY endorsement with no date on it.


Not sure, never real thought about it but I was honest with them when I was on the phone so it's out.
Title: Re: Help Me Buy a Bike
Post by: Dan on March 10, 2015, 07:56:42 PM
I think this is a gorgeous bike,


http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/mcy/4919205054.html (http://boston.craigslist.org/gbs/mcy/4919205054.html)



It's a 1979 so that gives me some concern.  Parts, service, reliability.
Title: Re: Help Me Buy a Bike
Post by: mollusc on March 10, 2015, 08:45:09 PM
There are a couple of things to watch out for there.  The Custom was the CX500C rather than F -- the highest letter they went up to was EC.  Can't say that I ever liked the Custom styling myself.


The seller says nothing about either the cam chain tensioner or the stator, both of which are known problem areas on this engine especially at that age.
Title: Re: Help Me Buy a Bike
Post by: RJ CB650 on March 10, 2015, 09:01:52 PM
Cam tensioner should be audible, but not familiar with that engine.  As for stator, not hard to test, or at worse, replace?
Title: Re: Help Me Buy a Bike
Post by: mollusc on March 11, 2015, 06:02:35 AM
Replacing both the cam chain tensioner and the stator require dismantling the engine.
Cam chain tensioner issues are somewhat audible on this engine, and aren't truly a problem after the first couple of model years if it's regularly adjusted.  However, this is an early model year...
Title: Re: Help Me Buy a Bike
Post by: Dan on March 11, 2015, 06:16:39 AM
I found some SV650's, a bike I sorta covet.  Check out these two bikes.


http://westernmass.craigslist.org/mcy/4881967406.html (http://westernmass.craigslist.org/mcy/4881967406.html)




https://burlington.craigslist.org/mcy/4877390878.html (https://burlington.craigslist.org/mcy/4877390878.html)


I know the 99' is carbed and the instrument cluster is different.  Frame looks different too.  Also one is the S model and the other is the N.  Fundamentally are there any other differences?
Title: Re: Help Me Buy a Bike
Post by: POXY on March 11, 2015, 07:14:29 AM
I would prefer the '99 just because of the upright seating position.
Title: Re: Help Me Buy a Bike
Post by: RJ CB650 on March 11, 2015, 09:39:25 AM
Replacing both the cam chain tensioner and the stator require dismantling the engine.
Cam chain tensioner issues are somewhat audible on this engine, and aren't truly a problem after the first couple of model years if it's regularly adjusted.  However, this is an early model year...

Engine dismantle to get to stator?  I haven't worked on one of these engines before.  that is a surprize, I thought it was that front cover...  That is the clutch?
Title: Re: Help Me Buy a Bike
Post by: Dan on March 11, 2015, 11:12:20 AM
I would prefer the '99 just because of the upright seating position.


Me too.  The owner just emailed me.  It sold yesterday.
Title: Re: Help Me Buy a Bike
Post by: mollusc on March 11, 2015, 11:54:35 AM
Replacing both the cam chain tensioner and the stator require dismantling the engine.
Cam chain tensioner issues are somewhat audible on this engine, and aren't truly a problem after the first couple of model years if it's regularly adjusted.  However, this is an early model year...

Engine dismantle to get to stator?  I haven't worked on one of these engines before.  that is a surprize, I thought it was that front cover...  That is the clutch?


Yes, that's the clutch.  The engine is transverse in the frame so the crankshaft and transmission shafts run fore/aft, counter-rotating in order to balance the bike.  The engine splits behind the cylinders, which is where the stator coils (and pulse generators) hang out along with the cam chain and its tensioner.
Title: Re: Help Me Buy a Bike
Post by: RJ CB650 on March 11, 2015, 08:10:18 PM
 yikes1

*hugs side cover alternators*

And I thought the CBX was problematic...
Title: Re: Help Me Buy a Bike
Post by: Dan on March 15, 2015, 08:16:18 AM
This afternoon I'm going to finally take a look at three bikes.


79 CX500
06 Ninja 500
93 Nighthawk 750


Hopefully they are as good as the owner's describe them.  All three are above KBB estimates.
Title: Re: Help Me Buy a Bike
Post by: Dan on March 19, 2015, 11:59:53 AM
I took a look at the CX500 and the 07 Ninja 500.  The CX was in beautiful shape, the owner is interesting too, he had a garage full of old bikes.  I think I'm going to pass on the CX due to age of bike and potential problems that I've read about here and elsewhere, namely the cam chain tensioner.


I've been looking at a lot of SV650's but the decent one's are sold before I get a chance to actually get out and look at them.


That leaves it down to these two Ninja 500's.  Here are the pros and cons.



2007 -
Pros -
Near showroom shape.
Under 5,000 miles.
Seller is only an hour away.
The paint job is a metal-flake yellow (subjective but I love it).
New tires.
New chain and sprockets.
Looks well maintained.
Motor fired up right away.


Cons -
Priced $350 over KBB.
Some very minor scuffs along engine casing by the foot brake, right side lever.
More minor scuffs on the end of right side lever and fairing point (looks like it rubbed against something, not dropped).
Has a lowering kit.
Centerstand was removed for the lowering kit, may be available with sale of bike.


Asking price $3000
(http://images.craigslist.org/00Y0Y_eswGUEiccma_600x450.jpg)




2006 -
Pros -
Excellent shape (going by photo).
Priced at KBB value.
$550 cheaper than 07.
Dealer will do the following:
New tires.
Oil change.
New brake pads.
New chain and sprocket.
Has a limited service history with dealer.


Cons -
Sold through dealer.
Has 17,500 miles.
Some scuffs along tail section, dealer thinks it's from luggage.
Dealer is three hours away (one direction) in Vermont.


Asking price $2495 (OTD, there are no additional fees from dealer)
(http://www.procyclevt.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/03/16161959_1.jpg)




I like the 07 if it didn't have the lowering kit.  Are those easy to remove?


I like the fact that the 06 is $550 less.  It has a lot more miles but nothing outrageous for the age of the bike.


Decisions...

Title: Re: Help Me Buy a Bike
Post by: DesignFlaw06 on March 19, 2015, 12:30:18 PM
Won't cost you $500 to drive 6 hours (3 each way).  And you can give the dealer earnest money over the phone to make sure it doesn't get swiped out from under you (Some may remember the happycommuter incident and why he ended up on The People's Court).

The plan is still to buy a bike, ride it for a week, and sell it right? You have a place to store it until June? Actually, do you think the snow will be gone by then?
Title: Re: Help Me Buy a Bike
Post by: Dan on March 19, 2015, 12:51:02 PM
Won't cost you $500 to drive 6 hours (3 each way).  And you can give the dealer earnest money over the phone to make sure it doesn't get swiped out from under you (Some may remember the happycommuter incident and why he ended up on The People's Court).

The plan is still to buy a bike, ride it for a week, and sell it right? You have a place to store it until June? Actually, do you think the snow will be gone by then?


Yep, that's the plan.  Ride it and sell it after Americade.  If it's a Ninja 500 I can't imagine that I would enjoy it more than my 650 enough that I would be tempted to keep it around longer.  I do have a garage.  The car would be exiled to the driveway for a few months.


No, probably cost around $47 in gas money.  I may be able to negotiate the price on each bike.  Haven't tried, I want to be a serious buyer when I get to that point.


I will not be on, The People's Court, guaranteed.
Title: Help Me Buy a Bike
Post by: brittles on March 19, 2015, 04:35:14 PM
Beware of short valve adjustment intervals on that engine,  which owners often neglect. Out of spec valves (most always too tight) and it won't run right.

Make sure the engine is stone cold when it's started. I bought a non-running EN450 (basically the same engine) that wouldn't start without using starting fluid when cold. Would start fine once warmed up. Valve adjustment fixed it, but it's a fair amount of work getting to the valves......6 more bolts and you can remove the whole engine (not really, but your close). IIRC the interval is like 7,500 miles.
Title: Re: Help Me Buy a Bike
Post by: Dan on March 21, 2015, 08:21:35 AM
Thanks for the heads-up, Brittles.  I don't think intervals of 7500 miles are too far off from most bikes on the road.


By the way, while waiting for the VT dealer to respond with some updated info I found a beautiful VF700 Honda Interceptor.  A barn find from the previous owner who has restored it over the last three years.  He has too many bikes in his garage and has to move some of them.  I think the VF700 may be too much bike for my friend but I could ride it.  I may even want to keep it for a season afterwards.  I know there are oiling issues with the motor but I think that is the only big negative.
Title: Re: Help Me Buy a Bike
Post by: sansan on March 21, 2015, 04:50:31 PM
Here are the CL links to the bikes.


It's a 93 Nighthawk 750, not a 92.
http://capecod.craigslist.org/mcy/4861981355.html (http://capecod.craigslist.org/mcy/4861981355.html)


The 84 700s.  I was way off on the mileage.
http://providence.craigslist.org/mcd/4865901566.html (http://providence.craigslist.org/mcd/4865901566.html)


The Ninja 500.
http://providence.craigslist.org/mcy/4906319029.html (http://providence.craigslist.org/mcy/4906319029.html)


The Ninja 650.
http://boston.craigslist.org/nos/mcy/4902753111.html (http://boston.craigslist.org/nos/mcy/4902753111.html)


I think with the 650 the owner wants to simply pay off the balance of the loan.


I'm open to other bike suggestions.  Trying to keep it around 3k and have fair resell to recoup most of the money.

yes, this is recommended

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Title: Re: Help Me Buy a Bike
Post by: RJ CB650 on March 21, 2015, 11:39:35 PM
Thanks for the heads-up, Brittles.  I don't think intervals of 7500 miles are too far off from most bikes on the road.


By the way, while waiting for the VT dealer to respond with some updated info I found a beautiful VF700 Honda Interceptor.  A barn find from the previous owner who has restored it over the last three years.  He has too many bikes in his garage and has to move some of them.  I think the VF700 may be too much bike for my friend but I could ride it.  I may even want to keep it for a season afterwards.  I know there are oiling issues with the motor but I think that is the only big negative.

Classic VFR!  Awesome bike to own, but I know somebody with one.  Notorious for what they call "Chocolate Cams"  :naughty:
Title: Re: Help Me Buy a Bike
Post by: RobbieAG on March 22, 2015, 12:02:28 PM
I don't think intervals of 7500 miles are too far off from most bikes on the road.

Major plus for the Nighthawk - NO valve adjustments.
Title: Re: Help Me Buy a Bike
Post by: Dan on March 25, 2015, 08:35:16 AM
The VFR owner never replied to me.  Called, left emails, nothing.  Scratch that one.
Title: Re: Help Me Buy a Bike
Post by: Dan on March 25, 2015, 03:22:03 PM
Look what I found, an 84' 700.  If this were the red/white/blue model I think I would be throwing my money at the seller already.  Just got a reply, he tells me the bike is ready to ride.  It has 45k miles and he is asking $1900.  I know about problems with second gear on the 700, are there any other issues problematic with that model?


(http://images.craigslist.org/01010_1B2pFHxl09s_600x450.jpg)


I also found this nice 85 650, 35k miles and asking $1600.  Seems to good to pass up, especially with the mission of this bike.  It would be a very easy resell with very little loss.


(http://images.craigslist.org/00A0A_5yztkamTZkH_600x450.jpg)


Between the two I would prefer the 700 as I used to own a 650 and as great a bike as it is, it would be fun for me to have something different.
Title: Re: Help Me Buy a Bike
Post by: skramer360 on March 25, 2015, 07:07:50 PM
Dan that 700 looks like its been VERY well kept. It still has the faux velocity stacks. The only other issue I can think of with the '84 is the failing seal on the pulse generator side. The seal is NLA and the only fix is drilling a hole into the oil sump and sealing the pulse generator cover.
Title: Re: Help Me Buy a Bike
Post by: mollusc on March 25, 2015, 07:28:31 PM
RWB is 1986 only for the 700S, so unless someone changes out the panels (or the decals) you'll never get an '84 in those colours.


The crankshaft end seal leak is relatively uncommon, and the fix is fairly simple.  The engine has shown something of a tendency to do odd things with the #3 crankshaft bearings but then I've read of the same issues cropping up with the other Honda inline-4s.  My gut feeling is that it's possibly related to lubrication so maintaining a regular regime of oil changes should keep that issue in check.
Aside from that, the starter chain can snap and require disassembly of the engine to repair it.  But like any of the "issues" with these bikes, there are still far more bikes on the road that haven't had any problems than those that have succumbed to them.
Title: Re: Help Me Buy a Bike
Post by: RJ CB650 on March 25, 2015, 07:50:15 PM
I would get both to ride together and keep the 84 for cruisin and show :D. Quickly!  On the jump!
Title: Re: Help Me Buy a Bike
Post by: Rakillia on March 26, 2015, 07:00:58 AM
The 700 is a great bike but the 650 is more beginner friendly. If you already had one than you know how nimble and easy to handle they are yet still have plenty of power.  Your still looking for a bike to "rent" for a beginning rider right?  The questions you're asking makes it sound like you're looking for a bike to keep for yourself.  Money wise its even.  They're both asking roughly what its worth
Title: Re: Help Me Buy a Bike
Post by: Dan on March 26, 2015, 08:24:44 AM
The 700 is a great bike but the 650 is more beginner friendly. If you already had one than you know how nimble and easy to handle they are yet still have plenty of power.  Your still looking for a bike to "rent" for a beginning rider right?  The questions you're asking makes it sound like you're looking for a bike to keep for yourself.  Money wise its even.  They're both asking roughly what its worth


Yep, Rakilla.  The thought is to sell the bike right away but I still wouldn't mind having a bike that appeals to me as well.  I've had plenty of seat time on a 650, right around 20k miles.  I only had a brief chance to ever ride a 700.  Didn't realize that they were all that different in terms of rider friendliness. 
Title: Re: Help Me Buy a Bike
Post by: RJ CB650 on March 26, 2015, 09:14:44 AM
This comes from a completely personal point of view, but for me, I think both are equally beginner friendly depending on a person's motoring experience.  95% of more performance bike troubles usually comes down to the following.

1.  No concept or experience of clutch control
2.  Not being familar with bike.  I recommend always with any new bike to ride in a quiet and familiar area getting feel for brakes, etc.
3.  Overconfidence
4.  Trying to keep up with experienced rider.

Really the clutch side of things is the biggest one for the S.  After that is just about being level headed enough to enjoy puttering and not pushing.  Take a day of just riding your area out of traffic, going over, getting the feel and inspecting the bike.  650 or the 700, a responsible attitude, think both will do well if you plan the time for proper practice and feel.
Title: Re: Help Me Buy a Bike
Post by: Dan on March 26, 2015, 05:16:21 PM
I can scratch the 700s off the list.  It was a scam, the "seller" was just dicking around and from what I can gather doesn't even have the bike.  His replies got slightly juvenile as well as being evasive.
Title: Re: Help Me Buy a Bike
Post by: Wosmo on March 26, 2015, 05:28:47 PM
FWIW... I think that 650 looks pretty damn nice!
Title: Re: Help Me Buy a Bike
Post by: Dan on April 01, 2015, 06:27:22 AM
Hey 750 riders, what's the range of the bike to reserve?
Title: Re: Help Me Buy a Bike
Post by: Hog Dog on April 01, 2015, 06:40:24 AM
Dan-When riding easy I can go around 200 miles before hitting reserve.  I ride around the speed limit with some hard accel in the twisties and usually get into the 180's before reserve.  Great range on the 4.8 g tank.
Title: Re: Help Me Buy a Bike
Post by: Dan on April 04, 2015, 11:22:09 AM
The deal is done, read all the gory details here, http://nighthawk-forums.com/index.php/topic,1461.0.html (http://nighthawk-forums.com/index.php/topic,1461.0.html).