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Title: My '96 CB750 "Dragon Bike"
Post by: DesertDragon on August 13, 2017, 03:20:36 PM
So, I've had my '96 NightHawk for 11 years now, and I thought I'd share some photos I took just after she had a bath...

Thanks (Once Again!) to Mollusc for helping me out with how to post Flickr pics.. 
I updated the post with actual pics....

My '96 front view...
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4356/36497476836_480a2270fd.jpg)
Notable mods: 
Avon Storm 3-D front tire
Fork Boots (I have 2 miles of gravel before I get to pavement - Ding proofs the fork tubes / seals)
Rifle Fairing with sport windscreen
Progressive fork springs

Right Side:
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4400/36497471036_896b363958.jpg)
Notable Mods:
Crusaider Radar (antenna attached under front of fairing)
Fiamm Horn(s)
Case Savers / Pegs
Joe Rocket Manta XL Tank Bag
Corbin Gunfighter Seat
Saddlemen Gel Fleece Pad

Left Side:
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4339/35734867013_a921aea0e8.jpg)
Notable Mods:
Front Fender Extension
Fiamm Horn(s)
Hel Stainess Steel Brake Line
Case Savers / Pegs
17 Tooth Front Sprocket
Clear Rear turn signal covers

Case Saver / Peg Closeup:
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4351/36543880605_93f14bcc11.jpg)

Right Rear Closeup:
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4440/36497465256_a828c0e123.jpg)

Notable Mods:
Progressive Rear shocks
Avon Storm Tire(s)
Gold X-Ring Chain

Since I have a long ride on dirt, it isn't often the bike is this clean!

 haphap

Title: Re: My '96 CB750 "Dragon Bike"
Post by: mollusc on August 13, 2017, 05:43:03 PM
Is the Flickr share window, choose BBCode. You'll know you have the right one when the tag markers are square brackets instead of angle brackets.

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Title: Re: My '96 CB750 "Dragon Bike"
Post by: Captainkirk on August 13, 2017, 07:56:22 PM
DD,
You can delete the code before and after bracketIMGbracket and bracketbackslashIMGbracket and the image will post but you will remove the backlinks (a good thing).
Nice looking Hawk!
Title: Re: My '96 CB750 "Dragon Bike"
Post by: Wahrsuul on August 14, 2017, 04:53:56 AM
Looks a lot like my old 96, but I had the smaller Superbike fairing.  Good looking bike.
Title: Re: My '96 CB750 "Dragon Bike"
Post by: DesertDragon on August 14, 2017, 09:05:01 AM
DD,
You can delete the code before and after bracketIMGbracket and bracketbackslashIMGbracket and the image will post but you will remove the backlinks (a good thing).
Nice looking Hawk!
Aye Captain!
Thanks for the tip... I updated the post...
DD
Title: Re: My '96 CB750 "Dragon Bike"
Post by: DesertDragon on August 14, 2017, 09:08:18 AM
Looks a lot like my old 96, but I had the smaller Superbike fairing.  Good looking bike.
Thank you sir... 
I also looked at the Rifle Superbike, but went for the additional protection (and side pockets).
I'll bet you miss your '96 - I know I would...
Regards
DD
Title: Re: My '96 CB750 "Dragon Bike"
Post by: hppants on August 14, 2017, 11:00:32 AM
That's a beautiful bike.  I had one just like it with many of the same modifications you have done.  I don't really miss it, though.  I didn't have too much sentimental feeling for the '96.

On the other hand, I miss my '84 RWB 700s a LOT.
Title: Re: My '96 CB750 "Dragon Bike"
Post by: DesertDragon on August 14, 2017, 04:06:29 PM
Oops forgot a pic...
The Rifle fairing has a dash, so I added a clock, altimeter (barometer) crusader radar and compass/thermometer.
The radar detector also picks up traffic alerts, and displays a voltmeter and temperature.
The white dot is a flashing blue (when detected) LED radar/laser alert.  It also provides a freeze alert below 33 degrees.
What can I say.. I tend to go "geek"...

 pics44
(https://farm5.staticflickr.com/4412/36527194096_1035ca8a23_z.jpg)
Title: Re: My '96 CB750 "Dragon Bike"
Post by: DesertDragon on August 14, 2017, 04:29:21 PM
That's a beautiful bike.  I had one just like it with many of the same modifications you have done.  I don't really miss it, though.  I didn't have too much sentimental feeling for the '96.

On the other hand, I miss my '84 RWB 700s a LOT.
Thanks for the compliment.
As as far as missing a bike, I think a lot of that is the memories that are made while you had a particular machine...
In my case, my bike got me out of the marriage from hell, so even if that were on a moped, I'd still miss it!

I think one reason there are still some "dedicated" NH fans is because although the Hawks were not at the pinnacle of perfection in any one area, they perform very well in just about all areas.
To refresh your memory....
Since it's a "standard" you can actually ride it all day relatively comfortably, take it on a trip with saddlebags... like the Make Mine Vanilla article..
In any case, I find it a lot more fun to own, for all of the above reasons, than my VF1000R was...  Yes, she was pretty, but a bhatch to live with...
 bkr3
Title: Re: My '96 CB750 "Dragon Bike"
Post by: oilfield_trash on August 14, 2017, 04:43:40 PM
I love the fork gaiters. The fairing is a bit big for my tastes but I'm sure it's useful. Good to see a NH in such good condition and being used for what it was made for...riding.

How do you like the Progressive rear shocks. I've been thinking of updating my suspension.
Title: Re: My '96 CB750 "Dragon Bike"
Post by: DesertDragon on August 14, 2017, 05:13:09 PM
I love the fork gaiters. The fairing is a bit big for my tastes but I'm sure it's useful. Good to see a NH in such good condition and being used for what it was made for...riding.

How do you like the Progressive rear shocks. I've been thinking of updating my suspension.
Howdy OT
Yep - Update your suspension - You'll be glad you did. 
The shocks work well at soaking up the small stuff while preventing big bangs on the nastier bumps..
Maybe that's why they are ... progressive.....
With my stock shocks it was really difficult (impossible) to set a pre-load that worked full spectrum..
I put in new Progressive fork springs at the same time and they made a big positive difference in handling for me.
Since I ride on dirt the fork boots were a must.. Some people don't like the look, but with boots your forks (and seals) will last a LOT longer.
Thanks for your post.
Regards
DD
Title: Re: My '96 CB750 "Dragon Bike"
Post by: Wahrsuul on August 15, 2017, 04:40:56 AM
Looks a lot like my old 96, but I had the smaller Superbike fairing.  Good looking bike.
Thank you sir... 
I also looked at the Rifle Superbike, but went for the additional protection (and side pockets).
I'll bet you miss your '96 - I know I would...
Regards
DD

I don't miss it that much, I gave it to my brother, so I still get to ride it on occasion  haphap

I had a Tsunami fairing before the Rifle, but my son crashed and the fairing got destroyed.  I got the Rifle cheap on eBay.  It worked well enough, but wasn't as pretty.  I took the 96 out to the first big NH rally at KSL, and it was called the Barbie set - my tent, jacket and bike matched. 
Title: Re: My '96 CB750 "Dragon Bike"
Post by: DesertDragon on August 15, 2017, 09:08:47 AM
I don't miss it that much, I gave it to my brother, so I still get to ride it on occasion 
haphap
I had a Tsunami fairing before the Rifle, but my son crashed and the fairing got destroyed.  I got the Rifle cheap on eBay.  It worked well enough, but wasn't as pretty.  I took the 96 out to the first big NH rally at KSL, and it was called the Barbie set - my tent, jacket and bike matched. 
Barbie Set - Too funny...  I guess if your 96 is still around there is less to miss....
So what do you generally ride?  IS there a choice in your garage, or a favorite?
 ridn2
Title: Re: My '96 CB750 "Dragon Bike"
Post by: Wahrsuul on August 16, 2017, 12:42:53 PM
Yeah, some good natured ribbing, but what can I say, I like yellow.

(http://www.bikepics.com/pics/2012/12/02/bikepics-2485597-984.jpg)

But, in my old age, I like having wind protection and carrying capacity.  I have an 03 ST1300A (in ugly silver/gray) and a 95 Voyager.  The Voyager is kind of ugly - some cracked plastics and torn seat, but is very comfortable, gets decent mileage and handles pretty good.  The ST is fast and fairly comfortable, but I think I preferred the ST1100.

(https://www.bikepics.com/pics/2017/07/12/bikepics-2801473-full.jpg)

(https://www.bikepics.com/pics/2017/03/27/bikepics-2799025-984.jpg)
Title: Re: My '96 CB750 "Dragon Bike"
Post by: DesertDragon on August 16, 2017, 03:57:44 PM
Yeah, some good natured ribbing, but what can I say, I like yellow.
But, in my old age, I like having wind protection and carrying capacity.  I have an 03 ST1300A (in ugly silver/gray) and a 95 Voyager.  The Voyager is kind of ugly - some cracked plastics and torn seat, but is very comfortable, gets decent mileage and handles pretty good.  The ST is fast and fairly comfortable, but I think I preferred the ST1100.
I'm a big fan of the "sun" shade as well. 
I'm right there with you, except for the tent.. Yellow bike, yellow jacket, yellow helmet, yellow striped pants...
I'm also a fairing fan, and the Rifle Sport does a decent job. With soft luggage I have room for what I need.
 cheers3
The Voyager doesn't look bad, and with a bit of new upholstery...  I know wet foam isn't the most comfortable perch.

Your STi is a great looking bike!  I like the silver grey, myself.
It would probably look great in a total solar eclipse...   
Hey ! You're in luck! 
There's one on Monday, and you have a choice of bikes...

Two words - Road Trip!
 ridn2

Title: Re: My '96 CB750 "Dragon Bike"
Post by: Wahrsuul on August 17, 2017, 04:49:27 AM
I wish.  The ST site has a couple of rides set up to watch the eclipse from different locations.  Unfortunately, my wife has health issues, and for the most part, the only riding I get anymore is back and forth to work.  Considering selling the bikes as they're hardly getting any miles.  I originally traded a Concours for the Voyager, hoping it would enable her to ride, but that hasn't happened, and doesn't look promising.
Title: Re: My '96 CB750 "Dragon Bike"
Post by: DesertDragon on August 17, 2017, 08:43:39 AM
I wish.  The ST site has a couple of rides set up to watch the eclipse from different locations.  Unfortunately, my wife has health issues, and for the most part, the only riding I get anymore is back and forth to work.  Considering selling the bikes as they're hardly getting any miles.  I originally traded a Concours for the Voyager, hoping it would enable her to ride, but that hasn't happened, and doesn't look promising.
So sorry to hear that...  I'd put a few dollars into the Voyager before trying to sell it, if it were mine.
If you sell both, your going to miss the two wheeled option... IMHO

As far as the eclipse, it's probably the last total either of us will get a chance to see.
In my case, it's over 1,000 miles and travel across several states to get there.
If I recall, you're in South Carolina somewhere, so you might be able to be in the total path by
I wish.  The ST site has a couple of rides set up to watch the eclipse from different locations.  Unfortunately, my wife has health issues, and for the most part, the only riding I get anymore is back and forth to work.  Considering selling the bikes as they're hardly getting any miles.  I originally traded a Concours for the Voyager, hoping it would enable her to ride, but that hasn't happened, and doesn't look promising.
So sorry to hear that...
As far as the eclipse, it's probably the last total I'll get a chance to see, and I have to travel 1,000 miles across several states to get to a view spot.
You're in central South Carolina according to your profile, so you won't have much (or any) of a commute...
Here's the map from NASA.. Scroll down and there is one for S Ca..
https://eclipse2017.nasa.gov/eclipse-maps (https://eclipse2017.nasa.gov/eclipse-maps)

Even if you do have to drive, take the day off on Monday, put your wife and a picnic lunch in the "family truckster" and go make a memory....
Regards
Title: Re: My '96 CB750 "Dragon Bike"
Post by: Wahrsuul on August 18, 2017, 04:42:39 AM
I've ridden the Voyager to work the last couple days.  Forgot how good the wind protection is on that thing, it's almost too hot to ride.  The bike definitely doesn't meed much mechanically, still runs smooth and pretty quick for a big touring rig.  Needs some cosmetic help is all.

Yeah, we're right in the middle of it -  there are parties all over the place here and lots of people taking Monday off.  I'll be at work as usual - got to save the days off for the doc appointments and such.
Title: Re: My '96 CB750 "Dragon Bike"
Post by: DesertDragon on August 18, 2017, 08:02:47 AM
I've ridden the Voyager to work the last couple days.  Forgot how good the wind protection is on that thing, it's almost too hot to ride.  The bike definitely doesn't meed much mechanically, still runs smooth and pretty quick for a big touring rig.  Needs some cosmetic help is all.

Yeah, we're right in the middle of it -  there are parties all over the place here and lots of people taking Monday off.  I'll be at work as usual - got to save the days off for the doc appointments and such.
Yep - Big fairing = Big Difference
Since it's running well, it would also look lots better with a repaired seat... and it would probably be more comfortable too..
As for the eclipse, at least take a two minute break when it gets as dark as midnight somewhere between 2:30 and 2:45 on Monday.
Just because it's local doesn't mean it isn't special. 
With the sun completely covered, you don't even need glasses (not true when there is ANY sunlight showing)... Then you NEED them.
Out West, there are journeys of epic proportions taking place to see it, and I wish I could, but I can't, so I won't... 
viol
Poor me... Poor me...
Later Gator
Title: Re: My '96 CB750 "Dragon Bike"
Post by: Wahrsuul on August 21, 2017, 08:25:48 AM
Yeah, I saw on the news, that we have between 500 and 700k people showing up in the area for the eclipse.  Didn't realize we're in one of the areas were it'll last the longest.  I'm going to try to get home by then, but we'll see how work goes.
Title: Re: My '96 CB750 "Dragon Bike"
Post by: gordon on August 26, 2017, 08:41:43 PM
That's a beautiful bike DD.  You've given me some ideas for mine!

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Title: Re: My '96 CB750 "Dragon Bike"
Post by: DesertDragon on August 27, 2017, 11:31:49 AM
That's a beautiful bike DD.  You've given me some ideas for mine!
Were I Elvis... I'd say...  "Thank You! .. Thank You Very Much!"
haphap
Glad you liked the pics...
I'm glad you got some take aways..
You can always make a good bike better!
I just saw your red bike - Looks really clean.
A big safety improvement at relatively low cost is a replacement of the beep beep horn..
On your CB 750 the front fork reflectors make an ideal horn mount location... It's like it was designed for it.
Hacksaw off the screw on the back of the reflector and glue it back on the horn...
I used the beep beep spot for mounting a horn relay.
Anyway, thanks for the compliment!
DD
Title: Re: My '96 CB750 "Dragon Bike"
Post by: gordon on August 27, 2017, 11:40:00 AM
I took my reflectors off, and lost one of them. My thoughts the reflectors was to mount some cree led lights there. Funny you mentioned the take aways. My battery did die and I went to Batteries Plus and picked up an AGM. I've been tossing up the PIAA or FIAMM as far as the horn replacement.

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Title: Re: My '96 CB750 "Dragon Bike"
Post by: DesertDragon on August 27, 2017, 07:02:12 PM
Good Stuff Gordon...
Mounting aside, do yourself the favor of a decent horn so you can be HEARD over the MP3 in the car changing into your lane.
If it sounds like an 18 wheeler, chances are the driver will react. (Personal experience)
For your battery...
Pick up a "Battery Tender" or junior version of it.
They include a harness and quick hookup so you can keep the battery fully charged.
AGM's like to be kept full and if so, pretty well last forever.
Mine is now 10 years old and still has new specs on a tester.
This is especially true (charging) if you don't ride your bike for extended periods.
Regards...
Title: Re: My '96 CB750 "Dragon Bike"
Post by: gordon on August 27, 2017, 07:19:37 PM
Thanks DD, I have the Junior, and have it hooked up to my Hawk.  I had a prior co worker that had a WOLO air horn on his VTX. That think was loud. I drive a  semi, and would love to have something as loud as my semi horn.

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Title: Re: My '96 CB750 "Dragon Bike"
Post by: DesertDragon on August 28, 2017, 08:52:32 AM
Thanks DD, I have the Junior, and have it hooked up to my Hawk.  I had a prior co worker that had a WOLO air horn on his VTX. That think was loud. I drive a  semi, and would love to have something as loud as my semi horn.
I've heard those WOLOs are good..
I had bought something similar, but could't find an easy place to mount it (before my fairing) so I went with the fork reflector mounts.
It seemed an interesting coincidence that the horns and reflectors used the same size thread.... anyway...
With any decent horn you'll need to add a relay because there isn't enough power.
It's pretty simple wiring..
One other thing I did was to add a cigarette lighter type plug when I put in the horn relay so I have a 12 volt power source without having to turn on the ignition.  It works great for phone charging and stuff-like-that-there... haphap

Have a good one, Gordon!
Title: Re: My '96 CB750 "Dragon Bike"
Post by: deaconblues082 on September 02, 2017, 04:53:06 PM
Beautiful bike! For a ridden Honda it sure is impeccably clean, Bravo Sir!!
Title: Re: My '96 CB750 "Dragon Bike"
Post by: DesertDragon on September 07, 2017, 10:50:47 AM
Beautiful bike! For a ridden Honda it sure is impeccably clean, Bravo Sir!!
Thank You!
Thank You Very Much...
A hunka hunka burnin' Thank You!
 haphap
Title: Re: My '96 CB750 "Dragon Bike"
Post by: NormH3 on December 26, 2017, 01:32:17 PM
@DesertDragon lookie what showed up. Another about a 2 hour drive from me. 

(https://i.imgur.com/948uShG.jpg)
Title: Re: My '96 CB750 "Dragon Bike"
Post by: DesertDragon on December 27, 2017, 08:30:41 AM
Hey Norm,
If you like YELLOW (proven by scientific testing to be the fastest color made)...
Looks pretty sweet to me!
Already has a Corbin Gunfighter, tail box. bikini fairing on it.. If you like those..
Even if you don't, no permanent alterations.
Already has a centerstand and case savers, which are must haves...
I couldn't see a defect, except maybe for a slightly askew right front turn signal and maybe worn tires..
It looks like it was well cared for... After you pick it up, head West and I'll meet you at the Grand Canyon...
 ridn2

Title: Re: My '96 CB750 "Dragon Bike"
Post by: NormH3 on December 27, 2017, 03:49:23 PM
I won't be buying this one. The guy thinks its worth $3400 and wants $2900. Thinks he will easily sell it in the spring for his asking price.
Title: Re: My '96 CB750 "Dragon Bike"
Post by: DesertDragon on December 27, 2017, 03:51:20 PM
I don't know the particulars, but I paid $3,000 for mine.
I don't regret it either.
Title: Re: My '96 CB750 "Dragon Bike"
Post by: NormH3 on December 27, 2017, 04:05:03 PM
I don't know the particulars, but I paid $3,000 for mine.
I don't regret it either.

I wouldn't have bought yours either. :)
Title: Re: My '96 CB750 "Dragon Bike"
Post by: NormH3 on December 27, 2017, 04:12:58 PM
I posted the link on the forum for others that might be interested. This is it.     https://york.craigslist.org/mcy/d/honda-750-nighthawk/6435510358.html
Title: Re: My '96 CB750 "Dragon Bike"
Post by: Adventurer on December 27, 2017, 04:25:37 PM
Great post and great look’n bike. Cool you’ve got some dash accessories too; Hadn’t seen that on a NH.
Title: Re: My '96 CB750 "Dragon Bike"
Post by: DesertDragon on December 28, 2017, 08:19:04 AM
I wouldn't have bought yours either. :)
In the spring I doubt he'll have a problem getting asking price, like he said.
That scoot looks super clean and has some nice accessories, and according to the ad, pretty much everything wear-wise has been replaced.
Unless you do all of your own maintenance, that will be money you don't need to spend on a bike that needs work.
If the Pilot Activs are also new... adds to the equation.

I guess my point is, I'm sure you can find a lower price, but that doesn't mean you'll find a better VALUE. 
Maybe you will. 
Good luck.

I bought my bike in the late spring, not the best time for a low price, but then since I also had just doubled my money on the sale of a showroom new looking VF1000R, it was really only a $500 bike.
Again, for me, it was worth it...  because..
It's going to be 70 F today with light winds and I have a 100 mile errand...
From the economic perspective, should I take the 27 mpg cage or the 50 mpg bike... hmm..
From the "I love to ride" perspective...
Decision made.
ridn2
Title: Re: My '96 CB750 "Dragon Bike"
Post by: DesertDragon on December 28, 2017, 05:08:57 PM
Great post and great look’n bike. Cool you’ve got some dash accessories too; Hadn’t seen that on a NH.
Thnks for the compliment, ADV.
nice1
The Rifle Sport has a dashboard option which makes for a convenient gadget center..
Had a great ride today - empty interstate, new pavement, great weather.. All good!
 bkr3
Title: Re: My '96 CB750 "Dragon Bike"
Post by: Wahrsuul on January 03, 2018, 04:39:49 AM
I do like that yellow.  My brother still has mine if I ever want it back, but honestly, the last time I rode it, the pegs feel way too high for me now.  Not sure I'll ever get back on it.

I had the Tsunami on mine first, and nothing looks better on the NH750.  After my son crashed it and destroyed the fairing, I found a used Rifle Superbike.  Not as sexy, but works well.  The bike still needed some luggage options.  There are a couple that fit the euro cb750 that I thought would work, but never had the $500+ it would take to try it.
Title: Re: My '96 CB750 "Dragon Bike"
Post by: hppants on January 03, 2018, 06:34:09 AM
I learned a long time ago that the market drives the price.  Something is worth what people are willing to pay.  $3,000.00 for any NH750 seems way off the mark to me, but again, the market will tell.

(Disclaimer:  I'm not going to make many friends with the following paragraph.  Go ahead and flame away if you must.  This is just my opinion and not intended to be a personal insult to anyone.)

In my opinion, the NH was a much better motorcycle 20 years ago than it is today.  The improvements made in the motorcycle industry since then, many of them coming from Honda, have dated the NH to the point of nostalgia, in my opinion.  This would apply to any market within the motorcycle industry, but the return of the standard (or at least the standard riding position) in the new lines over the past 5-7 years makes this even more applicable today.  Fuel Injection, computer controls, ABS, hydraulic brake improvements, suspension dampening and valving technology, using the engine as a stressed member of the frame, ergonomical improvements and adjustability, wind and heat management, lighting, etc. etc.  This is just the tip of the iceberg, I could go on ad nauseum.  Honestly, any Japanese five year old 500-600 cc standard, worth around $3,000.00, is a WORLD better motorcycle than any nighthawk ever made.  If you'd ride one with an open mind, you would agree.

Now, a cream puff NH750 with 20,000 miles on it at $1,500.00?  Can't go wrong.  Especially if this is your first bike that you are going to drop anyway or you are looking for something that you can stretch in any direction to see what kind of bike (or market) you really want to get into.  You cam make a NH a sport tourer, a grocery getter/commuter, a weekend day tripper, or even a rudimentary dual sport pretty easily.

To the OP, in my opinion, you did very well to pass on that bike.  Sight unseen, it's only worth half of what he's asking.

Just my $0.02 worth.
Title: Re: My '96 CB750 "Dragon Bike"
Post by: mollusc on January 03, 2018, 08:44:21 AM
^^^^^ This.  All of this.  Absolutely spot on.  ^^^^^


I love my 700S.  But the handling difference between that and my NC is astounding.  True, the NC doesn't have the thrilling pickup of the S but it's not designed to have it.  I could have easily found a bike that did though.
Title: Re: My '96 CB750 "Dragon Bike"
Post by: DesertDragon on January 03, 2018, 08:49:35 AM
Pants,
I'd agree that improvements have been made, and along with them come complexity.  And cost.
As far as your price spec... I would think it a challenge to find ANY low mileage pristine condition 750 for $1,500 - especially with a lot of accessories.
As far as standards... Not so many choices until recent years.
While asking price for that bike was on the high end, the guy will likely sell the bike close to it when the weather is good for riding...
As you said, the market at work.

Anyway, I guess it's all in what you want. 
I prefer a scooter that I can do all of the maintenance on myself, and there isn't much of that anyway.
BTW, I'm still averaging 50 mpg plus using Mobil super...
Can you show me a dependable, low maintenance model used 750 I can buy for around $1500 that can give me 50 mpg cruising at 75?
I don't think so....
Title: Re: My '96 CB750 "Dragon Bike"
Post by: hppants on January 03, 2018, 11:24:59 AM
There are literally dozens of mid sized motorcycles that will offer 50 mpg.  Admittedly, perhaps fewer that will give that at 75 mph for the entire tank.  I've gotten close to that on my FJR, although that was at over 6,000 feet altitude, and average mileage is more like 44.  The newer bikes are just as maintenance free as the nighthawk, and you can do everything yourself.  One exception is valve adjustments, which for the life of me, I can't understand why most modern bikes still use the shim/bucket design, other than as a scare tactic to extort maintenance money from the owner not willing to try to do it themselves.

But it's way beyond the actual motor.  The handling differences are incredible.  My NH had progressive springs, an aftermarket valve emulator, fork brace, and Progressive shocks.  And I'm telling you it was dog poop compared to a stock CB500X.  The dampening improvements alone are amazing.  Brakes?  Grab one handful of front brake on a wet oily road and you will fully appreciate ABS.  Lighting?  My NH's high beam wasn't as visible as the FZ-07's low beam.  And the tail light was merely a suggestion.  Ergonomics?  The 650 Versys runs circles around the NH for all day riding comfort.

$1,500 is definitely a stretch, and for a cream puff NH, is a good buy and will always be a good buy.  But the comparison was at $3,400.00, perhaps negotiable to $3,000.00.

I know this is a nighthawk forum.  I'm not trying to pick a fight - you must believe that.  Those that know me here will vouch for my integrity.  The NH was/is a very good motorcycle.  I had 2 of them.  But it doesn't compare at all to modern bikes.  And if you have to pay $3,000.00 to get one now, then there are MANY better values out there, in my opinion.  When I had my '96 NH, I thought that was the end of the world, it just couldn't get any better.  But I got into touring and things changed.  Regardless, I've ridden dozens of modern motorcycles and I'm just saying - the NH was good, but no where close to as good as it gets.
Title: Re: My '96 CB750 "Dragon Bike"
Post by: jspringator on January 03, 2018, 04:49:47 PM
I rented a new HD Softail Classic in April 2012.  I was shocked that it handled better than my 85 Nighthawk; much better  I sold the NH shortly thereafter.
Title: Re: My '96 CB750 "Dragon Bike"
Post by: Hog Dog on January 03, 2018, 08:12:46 PM
Pants-I don't think you will get flamed here unless you say Harley is the end all be all and everything else is trash.  No one with an open mind would say that any NH or any other bike from the 70s, 80s, or 90s is better than modern day machines.  Just like us old guys talk about how great cars were from our era, I know the Detroit muscle cars  I drooled over in the early to mid 70s don't hold a candle to todays cars in any comparison.   I have a friend who has owned Mustangs since the 70s and still thinks his late 90's 'stang is bad ass, but when Ford released the 4cylinder turbo version that puts out more power than his v8 he was disheartened.  We grow fond of our machines and the simplicity and dependability of the NH is what has kept me riding a 750 for ten years.  I have ridden your 1st FJR and several other newer bikes with a better spec sheet, but the kind of riding I like is done quite well on a NH.   If I had the $$ I would like to have Jay Leno's garage, but since I don't got to find what does it for me within the budget.  To each his own.
Title: Re: My '96 CB750 "Dragon Bike"
Post by: Rubo on January 04, 2018, 05:56:20 AM
I learned a long time ago that the market drives the price.  Something is worth what people are willing to pay.  $3,000.00 for any NH750 seems way off the mark to me, but again, the market will tell.

(Disclaimer:  I'm not going to make many friends with the following paragraph.  Go ahead and flame away if you must.  This is just my opinion and not intended to be a personal insult to anyone.)

In my opinion, the NH was a much better motorcycle 20 years ago than it is today.  The improvements made in the motorcycle industry since then, many of them coming from Honda, have dated the NH to the point of nostalgia, in my opinion.  This would apply to any market within the motorcycle industry, but the return of the standard (or at least the standard riding position) in the new lines over the past 5-7 years makes this even more applicable today.  Fuel Injection, computer controls, ABS, hydraulic brake improvements, suspension dampening and valving technology, using the engine as a stressed member of the frame, ergonomical improvements and adjustability, wind and heat management, lighting, etc. etc.  This is just the tip of the iceberg, I could go on ad nauseum.  Honestly, any Japanese five year old 500-600 cc standard, worth around $3,000.00, is a WORLD better motorcycle than any nighthawk ever made.  If you'd ride one with an open mind, you would agree.

Now, a cream puff NH750 with 20,000 miles on it at $1,500.00?  Can't go wrong.  Especially if this is your first bike that you are going to drop anyway or you are looking for something that you can stretch in any direction to see what kind of bike (or market) you really want to get into.  You cam make a NH a sport tourer, a grocery getter/commuter, a weekend day tripper, or even a rudimentary dual sport pretty easily.

To the OP, in my opinion, you did very well to pass on that bike.  Sight unseen, it's only worth half of what he's asking.

Just my $0.02 worth.
I totally agree
If one really is willing to spend 3k on NH might as well add 2k more and buy CB1100  fuel injection classic looks and better in every way.
I'll confess my fear of riding  92NH is being stranded long way from home because of simply old parts.Its fine around town but hesitate going over 100miles from home.
I need a new bike for peace of mine on long distances.
Title: Re: My '96 CB750 "Dragon Bike"
Post by: DesertDragon on January 04, 2018, 08:00:24 AM
  Regardless, I've ridden dozens of modern motorcycles and I'm just saying - the NH was good, but no where close to as good as it gets.
I guess it depends on what you like, Pants. 
For me, my 'Hawk has been ultra dependable, amazingly economical on both fuel and insurance and comfortable to ride.
It has plenty of power for me and easily leaves most vehicles on the road with 4 wheels, and some with 2, behind.
I have no desire to keep up with the squids, and for me a 140+ mph top end, a benefit of taller front gear, is more than fast enough.
Since switching to super, I can cruise at 75-80 all day with better than 50 mpg, and better than that at sedate speeds.
With the radials and suspension I'm running, I've got no problems in the twisties or doing a high speed interstate slalom course on roads with as many potholes as pavement.
Other than new tires for its wheels, it never needs to see a dealership - just the wheels - and I don't need to change my rubber out 4 times a year because it's easy on them too.
If I wanted a hyperbike, I'd buy one - I've owned them -  but I don't.
Most don't need bleeding edge performance in the real world, and for the kind of driving I do, the features you describe don't pass the cost-benefit analysis for me.  In any legal driving situation, you would not be able to run away from me, and while I could be outrun by your bike if you ignore the rules of the road, I could also wave while riding by as you are talking to one of the boys in blue. 

I never made an argument that the NightHawk was the best at anything, but it is very good at everything, so for me that's more than good enough.
While clearly that is not the case for you, it doesn't mean it's a mistake for me enjoying the bike I have.. and I do..

Hmmm.. 65 F sunny and light winds... I'm going for a ride..
 ridn2
Title: Re: My '96 CB750 "Dragon Bike"
Post by: mollusc on January 04, 2018, 08:44:38 AM
I'll confess my fear of riding  92NH is being stranded long way from home because of simply old parts.Its fine around town but hesitate going over 100miles from home.
I need a new bike for peace of mine on long distances.


Has your bike ever stranded you?  Do you keep up with routine maintenance?  Your bike is eight years newer than mine and I frequently take it on multi-hundred mile rides.
Any bike you get is going to have the potential to drop you somewhere in need of repairs.  Most things that could go wrong with a Nighthawk -- short of total catastrophic failure -- should be recoverable on the roadside.
If your bike is in good order, your fears might be keeping you from really getting out and enjoying it.  Or maybe not.  A different bike might help you get there.
Title: Re: My '96 CB750 "Dragon Bike"
Post by: DesignFlaw06 on January 04, 2018, 11:32:54 AM
I've said this many times before:  "It's a good deal if you think it's a good deal.  Doesn't matter what anyone else thinks."

I know a couple years ago, I was helping a friend find a Nighthawk.  Neither of us could find a running one for less than $1500 and the ones we did find weren't around long enough to even look at.  One guy sold his Nighthawk while he was on the phone with me and that was for $2500.  It was insane.  We finally found 650SC for $1500 and I'm pretty sure the only reason was because it was stolen.  But that's another story.

If you restrict yourself to one particular bike or criteria, you can expect to pay more or wait longer.  Sometimes you get lucky.  Waiting longer means time you're not riding.  There is value in that.  It's the same reason why amusement parks can charge extra for a Fast Pass ticket vs regular admission.   Time is money and vice versa.

I will agree with pants about the features of newer bikes, but they are features to me and not everyone.  The FJR is a pain in the ass to work on.  I don't work on my bike much so simpler maintenance is a non-issue for me, but others like a simpler machine because it is simpler to understand and work on.  Or they look at those features and see additional things that need to be maintained and/or replaced at a greater cost.  Take throttle or drive by wire for example.  There's no cable so it should last longer, but if it does fail, it's a $1000 bill rather than a $50 cable.

As for the fear of being stranded, a newer bike may help with that fear so alleviating that with a newer bike is worth something.  But you could be stranded no matter what vehicle you're driving for a million different reasons.  I agree with mollusc on this one.  Don't hold back until it gives you a reason not to.  Being stranded makes you have one bad day no matter how far away from home you are.  Fear of being stranded can make you miss a hundred great days.
Title: Re: My '96 CB750 "Dragon Bike"
Post by: DesertDragon on January 04, 2018, 11:45:02 AM
I have to laugh...
One thing about the 'Hawks that is nearly universally accepted, is that they are one of the most dependable bikes EVER MADE.
Does that mean they tolerate outright abuse? 
No. 
That's one reason why I was willing to pay a premium for a scoot that was well cared for.
Paying extra for that care was worth it to me. 
The compression on my 21 year old is new factory spec as of my last recent test.
Now, nearly 12 years after purchase, I've still never been stranded or even had a problem, and I'm 100 miles away from anywhere.
I can't say that about several new cars I've owned over the years... 
New doesn't mean no problems, actually, it can be just the opposite, because the new machine is relatively untested.
I do perform maintenance, and take good care of my machine, but in the case of the Hawk I can do a lot more riding with a lot less maintenance.

 
 
Title: Re: My '96 CB750 "Dragon Bike"
Post by: Larry Fine on January 04, 2018, 11:47:48 AM
I agree with everything DD said, except for the temperature - it's 28 degrees here, and I'm NOT riding today.  :'(
Title: Re: My '96 CB750 "Dragon Bike"
Post by: DesertDragon on January 05, 2018, 10:32:30 AM
I've said this mahttp://nighthawk-forums.com/Smileys/Custom/muhaha.gifny times before:  "It's a good deal if you think it's a good deal.  Doesn't matter what anyone else thinks."

I know a couple years ago, I was helping a friend find a Nighthawk.  Neither of us could find a running one for less than $1500 and the ones we did find weren't around long enough to even look at.  One guy sold his Nighthawk while he was on the phone with me and that was for $2500.  It was insane.  We finally found 650SC for $1500 and I'm pretty sure the only reason was because it was stolen.  But that's another story.

If you restrict yourself to one particular bike or criteria, you can expect to pay more or wait longer.  Sometimes you get lucky.  Waiting longer means time you're not riding.  There is value in that.  It's the same reason why amusement parks can charge extra for a Fast Pass ticket vs regular admission.   Time is money and vice versa.

I will agree with pants about the features of newer bikes, but they are features to me and not everyone.  The FJR is a pain in the ass to work on.  I don't work on my bike much so simpler maintenance is a non-issue for me, but others like a simpler machine because it is simpler to understand and work on.  Or they look at those features and see additional things that need to be maintained and/or replaced at a greater cost.  Take throttle or drive by wire for example.  There's no cable so it should last longer, but if it does fail, it's a $1000 bill rather than a $50 cable.

As for the fear of being stranded, a newer bike may help with that fear so alleviating that with a newer bike is worth something.  But you could be stranded no matter what vehicle you're driving for a million different reasons.  I agree with mollusc on this one.  Don't hold back until it gives you a reason not to.  Being stranded makes you have one bad day no matter how far away from home you are.  Fear of being stranded can make you miss a hundred great days.
DF,
I really liked your post. 
I think you pretty well articulated the entire new vs old thing, and that one man's features are another man's flaw...
Like a really pretty bike covered in plastic. 
Oooohhh it looks so sleek - If you like that it's a feature.
If you don't, it isn't.
In my case I have a practical reason. 
I've dropped my 'Hawk several times in the dirt up here - It's a very challenging dirt road environment - With case savers, the repair was dusting it off.
With a full bodywork fairing, the damage cost would be considerable.

Beyond that, I like the look of naked bikes, because the engine is part of the look of the machine, rather than it being an ugly hidden component under some bodywork.  I'm apparently not alone in that regard, evidenced by the resurgence of nakeds in the market.
 
It is also why I like air cooled engines - By design, they need to be out in the breeze where you can see them, and considerable art is used to make them look appealing.

Your experience in looking for a NightHawk for your friend was similar to my experience further back in the day.
A great condition, low mileage 'Hawk is increasingly hard to find, and pretty well impossible at a "low" price. 
I wanted a CB750 and it took me months to find the right bike.
For me, the cost and wait was worth it, as over the last going on 12 years, it's been a very easy machine to live with.

I've owned lots of bikes over the years, and I don't view the 'Hawk as a transition to an upgrade to something "better" sometime in the future, but that's me.  I like what I've got.

Despite the 'Hawk being an "old technology" machine (which it is) the market would seem to indicate their actual value is substantially greater than some might suppose. I contend that the "cream puff" low mileage NH750 for $1500 does not exist, and hasn't for some time as you found out...
Neither does the great condition $500 '57 Chevy exist.. 
BTW - A restored to original '64 VW window bus was just valued by Donald Osborn on Jay Leno at well over $100,000...
While older vehicles are less than current in their technology, that does not equate to diminished value.

There is a reason - While there are lots of current offerings being manufactured, classic machines that have a following are in shorter supply as time goes on.  While it can be truthfully said that a more modern machine can be had in a similar price, that doesn't mean it is a better value, because part of the value equation contains the variable "appreciation" (applicable to a limited supply) or its inverse - "depreciation" - applicable to any recently produced product....  So, over the near term, while a "modern" example of a bike in plentiful supply is likely to be reduced in value, the inverse is more likely in a bike that people want, but can't so easily get.

In other words, like you noticed, the market drives the cost by demand.
Title: Re: My '96 CB750 "Dragon Bike"
Post by: DesignFlaw06 on January 05, 2018, 12:34:55 PM


Beyond that, I like the look of naked bikes, because the engine is part of the look of the machine, rather than it being an ugly hidden component under some bodywork.  I'm apparently not alone in that regard, evidenced by the resurgence on nakeds in the market.
 
It is also why I like air cooled engines - By design, they need to be out in the breeze where you can see them.

Your experience in looking for a NightHawk for your friend was similar to my experience back in the day.
A great condition, low mileage 'Hawk is increasingly hard to find, and pretty well impossible at a "low" price. 
I wanted a CB750 and it took me months to find the right bike.
For me, the cost and wait was worth it, as over the last going on 12 years, it's been a very easy machine to live with.

So, despite the 'Hawk being an "old technology" machine (which it is) the market would seem to indicate their actual value is greater than that indicated by those who apparently have not tried to buy or sell one lately.

The "cream puff" low mileage NH750 for $1500 does not exist, and hasn't for some time.

I don't think it is a resurgence of naked bikes.  Using the Nighthawk as an example, it's the law of supply and demand.  Supply has been decreasing because the Nighthawk hasn't been produced in 15 years.  The real problem is why the demand has not declined as fast.  I think it has less to do with Nighthawks are good motorcycles and more to do with they are easy to modify.  Nighthawks are one of those bikes that are bought to be executed by a Sawzall way too often.  Guys that want to turn it into a chopper/bobber only to find out that they've ruined the bike and it's uncomfortable to ride even out of the driveway.  Then they try to sell it for 3x what they paid because of all the "custom work".  And because none of these guys want to do custom work on a bike that already had custom work, those bikes are left to die.

It depends on where you live also.  Bike prices around here tank come October and you could probably get a Nighthawk for less than $2k.  It's also 2 degrees with about 4 feet of snow right now.  Come spring,  you can add another $500-$1000 to the average price.   Go ahead and wait until October, but you've lost an entire riding season.  What is an entire riding season worth to you?

The definition of low mileage is relative too.  I would consider any Nighthawk with 20,000-25,000 miles low at this point.   Then you get into the question of how many miles is too low.   Dry-rot tires, dead battery, fluids, etc.  are all things to consider on a bike that hasn't moved much.  A Nighthawk that only has 20,000 miles by now has been sitting a while.  Either the seller will tack that cost of repairs/maintenance onto the list price or you'll have to do it later.

None of these reasons discredit the Nighthawk as a quality motorcycle.  I just think the price increase is showing how few quality Nighthawks are left.   It's a little sad when you think about it.  We're approaching the end of an era.

Putting all of that aside, value your bike for what it does for you, not by what you could sell it for.
Title: Re: My '96 CB750 "Dragon Bike"
Post by: Larry Fine on January 05, 2018, 08:12:50 PM
Well said, Tim et al.  I can't afford to want another bike now, nor do I want to.  My '96 cost me $1100 I-don't-remember-how-many years ago (10?)with 16K miles on it. 

Other than the usual consumables, I've had to do no work on it, except for the wheel bearings, which were less than $20 for generic correct-number parts, and one battery. 

It could use a new valve-cover gasket, which I have but can't find right now, but doesn't leak enough to run low on oil between changes.  It's the Timex watch of motorcycles.
Title: Re: My '96 CB750 "Dragon Bike"
Post by: DesertDragon on January 06, 2018, 08:04:44 AM
Some good comments..
Minimal required corrective action has been my experience as well, Larry.

The bad news, as stated by DesignFlaw, is that there are fewer examples left as each day passes.

The good news, is that for those of us lucky to own a 'Hawk, is that not only do we have a reliable bike that we can ride, but we're also riding a classic. and people love classics.
I agree that "value your bike for what it does for you, not by what you could sell it for", and by this measure, I am getting that value.
But when you do need to sell it, there won't be a buyer shortage.

It provides another reason that makes the effort of keeping your bike in good condition worthwhile.